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How California Car Culture Killed The Promise Of A 20-Minute Commute
KPBS News ^ | April 16, 2018 | Meghan McCarty Carino/KPCC

Posted on 04/16/2018 8:33:57 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Mentioned in this 70s song;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=ch9FEk9lG54


21 posted on 04/17/2018 12:18:10 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (When words can mean anything, they can also mean nothing.)
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To: Pontiac

Californication politics is all about control of the masses and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

https://calwatchdog.com/2013/04/26/se-diane-feinsteins-husband-wins-ca-rail-contract/

and the California Train to Nowhere even has its own anthem..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtS-KlySe4k


22 posted on 04/17/2018 12:41:08 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: faithhopecharity
U.S. Sen. Diane Feinstein’s husband Richard Blum, won the first phase construction contract for California’s high-speed rail.

Thanks for that. I wasn’t aware of this travesty.

Last I heard, not a single mile of track had been laid.

Any update on that?

23 posted on 04/17/2018 12:51:44 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.L)
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To: Pontiac

https://m.sfgate.com/politics/article/California-high-speed-rail-project-facing-more-12741787.php


24 posted on 04/17/2018 1:30:18 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: faithhopecharity
The project’s biggest champion, Gov. Jerry Brown, is trying to put the bullet train on stronger footing before he leaves office early next year. “I like trains, and I like high-speed trains even better,” he told lawmakers in his State of the State address in January.

Well your first article said the project would be a $1 billion which was $35 million per mile.

The new estimate is $77 billion which comes out to $687.5 million per mile.

I don’t see how this project could ever pay for itself. It is time to cut your losses California.

Governor Moon Beam has been smoking too much medicinal marijuana. I think he should retire and spend the rest of his life on his own Risky Business

25 posted on 04/17/2018 2:05:55 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.L)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The dream of getting around by a personal car was ruined because OTHER people also got to have their own cars?

Your masters WON’T be giving up their stretch SUVs, yachts, private planes, or 3 mansions.


26 posted on 04/17/2018 2:13:09 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ads for Chappaquiddick warn of scenes of tobacco use. What about the hazards of drunk driving?)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I’ve never been to LA but, I remember jokes about the terrible traffic and smog were standard fare of comics in the 60’s.


27 posted on 04/17/2018 2:18:10 AM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo.)
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To: Enchante
>>People can always have a 20 min. commute (or less).... they just have to live very very close to their workplace.


28 posted on 04/17/2018 2:19:43 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ads for Chappaquiddick warn of scenes of tobacco use. What about the hazards of drunk driving?)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

And there’s this one from ‘84:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvV3nn_de2k

“When I drive that slow, you know it’s hard to steer.
And I can’t get get my car out of second gear.
What used to take two hours now takes all day. Huh!
It took me 16 hours to get to L.A.”


29 posted on 04/17/2018 2:24:49 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 billion dollars.)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

>>2. California has three million illegal aliens that should not be there

I strongly doubt the number is anything like that small.


30 posted on 04/17/2018 2:41:57 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: faithhopecharity
Enjoy....geniuses!



31 posted on 04/17/2018 3:50:33 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneoCalifornia dreamin' (California dreamin') On such a winter's day)
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To: Bonemaker

The motorcycles weave and sliver through those LA traffic jams like mice through cracks. Surprised there’s not more accidents involving them than there exists.


32 posted on 04/17/2018 5:43:50 AM PDT by tflabo (Varmints)
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To: MarchonDC09122009
Wherever you have a high concentration density of libtards you are going to ruin everything.



33 posted on 04/17/2018 5:48:04 AM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: outofsalt

16 per square mile in my part of Montana. Getting too crowded for me.


34 posted on 04/17/2018 6:08:11 AM PDT by Comment Not Approved (When bureaucrats outlaw hunting, outlaws will hunt bureaucrats.)
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To: MarchonDC09122009
"...California has three million illegal aliens that should not be there.

I think it is estimated to be closer to 8 million.

They infest the place.

35 posted on 04/17/2018 6:52:16 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Idiocracy is here, and it votes democrat.)
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To: American in Israel

I took my family to Disneyland, and want to a supermarket nearby. Vons.

The whole area was like Tijuana, but with more open drug dealing and openly hostile nonwhite gang members.

And the only other white person besides my (scared sh\tless) family was the bag boy, who I felt vey sorry for.

It’s simply not America anymore, and will never be again unless we rise up and take it back.


36 posted on 04/17/2018 7:05:18 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Idiocracy is here, and it votes democrat.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Freeways - any major new transportation route - accommodate/create more than a transportation solution to any need. They become the means by which the same need they are supposedly eliminating gets worse. Why? Increased development is MORE about what follows them, than what precedes them.

Take just one area in California - the Inland Empire, and particularly the belt of cities from the edge of L.A. county all the way out to San Bernardino. Thirty years ago most development in the western San Bernardino county area was not pushing up against the foothills of the mountains. Then (ostensibly because of all the traffic on I-10) they built the I-210 freeway many miles north of I-10 and not far south of the foothills of the mountains. Ah, then driving longer distances directly from that area no longer required going down to I-10. Development then mushroomed along and north of the I-210 (pushing right into the foothills in many places), which as it continued made the I-210 (envisioned to be an escape from I-10), just as congested during rush hours as the I-10.

They say that freeways are built to ease congestion in urban and urban-to-suburban areas (southern California has no “center” and is more like mass, giant set of interconnected suburbs), but they ignore “if you build it, they will come”.

The problem can be attacked, but (a) it requires very strict near utopian development controls, to keep new development from defeating the congestion-relief ability of new roads, (b) it will manufacture housing price and property value increases where development is restricted, and (c) density will increase (more multi-family homes) along existing routes in order to accommodate population growth amidst restricted development.

I think less zoning might “help” alleviate some congestion. Zoning, by restricting where work can be located, more areas where work can take place become concentrated, forcing residences to be more distant from work for more folks than if development was less segregated and less restricted. Houston has no zoning and the fears people have about that are not realized in how development takes place there. It also ranks far below Los Angeles as far as congestion ranking. (Los Angeles is tops - in congestion - in the world).


37 posted on 04/17/2018 7:08:20 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: outofsalt
Los Angeles is the Most Densely Populated Urban Area in the US

Nearly 7,000 people per square mile in the metropolitan area.

Nothing is going to "solve" the problem.

38 posted on 04/17/2018 7:14:09 AM PDT by x
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The “car culture” is a result, not a cause.

Mass transit, to be financially viable requires population densities like found along the “northeast corridor” from Boston down to Washington D.C. (severed from Amtrak and on it’s own privately, the train system along that corridor would be profitable).

But California started with none of that density and an asset the northeast lacked anywhere near as much as California - lots of open undeveloped land. The “car” and “car culture” did not decide the course of what developed, it came from, came out of what developed. Could it have developed differently? Could mass transit, like the northeast, have developed along the train line that still runs from 70 miles east of L.A. all the way to downtown L.A.? Would it have been financially viable?

Historians will continue to argue which came first, the accommodation of the car because the car demanded it, or decisions to not do anything else, to not create any alternatives, and were alternatives financially viable not just in getting something built but operationally (keep in mind that buying rights of way, in terms of cost, is usually neutral as to whatever purpose it serves).


39 posted on 04/17/2018 7:24:41 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

The LA area has more than enough density to support better mass transit. But they didn’t build it and now building it through all that density would be very expensive.


40 posted on 04/17/2018 8:36:56 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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