Posted on 03/19/2018 5:36:17 AM PDT by C19fan
Listening to Rush the other week and he posed an interesting question...
No matter how long the earth has been around, 2,000 years, 10,000 years, 1 million years, 4.5 billion years, why is the current climate considered the norm? Is it just coincidence that the norm is occurring during the life of these scientists?
There was no fire from Heaven moment called "The Fall of Rome".
There were some rough spots of barbarian invasions and the like, but no definite "fall". It was a slow decline spread out over centuries, giving way to the Middle Ages.
Rome had a Deep State.
You’re right!
What I was picturing was a giant wall across the top Italy.
If we accept the highly questionable premise that Rome fell because of climate change it shows that climate change is normal and modern CC is NOT necessarily man-made. Might as well say Rome fell because of the Ozone hole.
Yes, plenty of challenges, not the least of which was the capture of the North African bread-basket that supported the city's welfare state not by Climate Change but by the Vandals. Climate change certainly turned that into the arid area we know today but nowhere near quickly enough to explain the events of the 5th century.
The empire was too big and too tired to continue in its present state, which was recognized in the early 4th century and was the reason that Constantine was trotted off to build Constantinople on the bones of Byzantium. Which, as others on the thread as well as Gibbon pointed out, lasted another millennium. What "fell" in 1453 was the same as "fell" in 476: nothing at all like what was before.
maybe Kristol is thinking that Rome had sleazebag political hangers-on too.... guys like Kristol....
When Rome fell, the chief culprits were corrupt Patricians bringing barbarians into the Empire as cheap labor, wimpy Romans shirking their duty in the legions, corrupt politicians, insane Emperors, and excessive government spending.
Sound familiar?
Damn, I didn’t know there were SUV’ s back then.
5.56mm
Most Roman historians are laughing their asses off at this garbage......
Yup, those German barbarians at the gates had nothing to do with the fall of Rome...
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