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China's National Sword continues to cut into US recycling
Plastics News ^ | 3/14/2018 | Jim Johnson

Posted on 03/15/2018 8:05:48 AM PDT by Rio

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Interesting article that explains changes being felt in US recycling. For me, I used to be able to get rid of "comingled" recyclables for free. Now they go to the landfill as it costs more to recycle than to landfill. Strange. You would think that metal "tin" cans would still be wanted, but they won't even take those. The only recyclable left here is cardboard, which is just as easily burned. This is the first I'd seen the term "National Sword." I googled it and it's a thing.
1 posted on 03/15/2018 8:05:48 AM PDT by Rio
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To: Rio

When you burn plastic, it produces heat. Apply a turbine and...


2 posted on 03/15/2018 8:08:03 AM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: Rio

Recycling is a waste of time.


3 posted on 03/15/2018 8:11:46 AM PDT by dfwgator
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This is the time to start this here in America.

Cheap plastic means cheaper oil.

http://pyrolysisplant.com/

http://www.changingworldtech.com/


4 posted on 03/15/2018 8:19:08 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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5 posted on 03/15/2018 8:22:23 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Rio
Improving quality "is a big part of the answer," said Dylan de Thomas, vice president of industry collaboration at the Recycling Partnership, a non-profit group that works to boost curbside recycling.

Do not recycle gentle into that good night,
Rage, rage at the melting in our sight!

6 posted on 03/15/2018 8:23:30 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Keep fighting the Left and their Fake News!)
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recycling BLOWS.
My town trash collection went to two bins, one for trash and a bigger one for recycling.
Now i can’t throw anything out.
i got a garage full of old mattresses, tv’s, air conditioners, bikes and about 500 other things that don’t fit in the “bin”.
pisses me off....
i’m gonna have to pay some guy hundreds of dollars to haul what i once was able to but on the curb away.
and to top it off i’m suspect the recycle bin is getting thrown out with the rest of the trash.
frigging leftists....


7 posted on 03/15/2018 8:26:17 AM PDT by mowowie
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Recycling is a waste of time.

It is worse than that. It is a scheme to get me to stockpile garbage.

8 posted on 03/15/2018 8:27:41 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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If you want to recycle my trash, be my guest! I keep it all in a Yuge hole about 6 miles out of town.


9 posted on 03/15/2018 8:29:03 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Build The Wall !! Jail The Cankle !!)
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“Bottled Water”


10 posted on 03/15/2018 8:30:29 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Build The Wall !! Jail The Cankle !!)
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dfwgator :" Recycling is a waste of time."

It also is a waste of money, since many waste management companies now charge more $$ for recycling
since the profit motive has died off.
There are several communities that now forbid those convenient thin plastic bags generally found in grocery stores.

11 posted on 03/15/2018 8:33:16 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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Ditto that.

The spouse is a true believer though.


12 posted on 03/15/2018 8:33:50 AM PDT by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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You don’t have heavy trash day? We used to have it once a month and then they made it every other month.


13 posted on 03/15/2018 8:36:58 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I'm tired of living in the kinder gentler soviet union.)
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yea, 25 dollars for this 25 dollars for 4 that...

a few years ago i could just put it on the curb and away it went.


14 posted on 03/15/2018 8:45:55 AM PDT by mowowie
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I used to work for a city that employed an Environmental Coordinator and she had a staff of 2, plus 2 city vehicles and some hokey robot to go to local schools and teach kids about recycling and Earth Day. This was back in the early 90’s. Their combined salaries was north of $180,000 not including the vehicles and the robot.

The annual recycled revenue paid back to the city was less than $2,000. So there you have it, government in all its wasteful glory.


15 posted on 03/15/2018 8:55:39 AM PDT by shotgun
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That scene is a classic also reminds me of the scene from Bridge on The River Kwai where after spotting Bill Holden as the sapper placing a charge on the bridge motions to Alex Guiness silence by putting his finger to his lips. Guiness turns toward the camera and exclaims; “What have I done ?”


16 posted on 03/15/2018 9:01:41 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin another gem posted in the wilderness)
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To: mowowie

Who do you think was paying for it then

Or just cut them up into smaller pieces and place them in the proper container.


17 posted on 03/15/2018 9:08:54 AM PDT by riverrunner
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Shutting down our industries that use that materiel and shipping that equipment and jobs overseas was such a good idea. The upper management got their golden parachutes, the politicians got their kickbacks and the American worker got the EBT.


18 posted on 03/15/2018 9:23:54 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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The issue is what does it cost/ton to haul away the trash.

I was formerly involved with my towns transfer station in southern NH. It was the former landfill location. The landfill has been full for over twenty years.

Lets say it costs X amount/ton to haul away mixed trash. I am going to give examples from memory.
Lets define X = $200/ton.

Mixed household trash costs $200/ton
Construction waste(drywall, shingles, etc.) costs $300/ton
Cardboard costs $125/ton
Mixed glass costs $150/ton
Newspaper/magazine paper costs $150/ton
Mixed paper costs $150/ton
Steel/Tin cans costs $100/ton
Aluminum YOU GET PAID $100/ton

So, it is fact that it costs you less to have some materials hauled away if you sort them out. Aluminum was a HUGE money maker a few years back. Cardboard is the biggest volume item in our trash. All of these items fluctuate in price like any other commodity. It depends if there is someone within close trucking distance willing to buy it.
When you multiply those prices above by 100’s of tons/year it will most likely save your municipality money.


19 posted on 03/15/2018 10:14:53 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Rio

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization


20 posted on 03/15/2018 10:22:27 AM PDT by rednesss (fascism is the union,marriage,merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power)
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