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Is Notre Dame’s “Fighting Irish” also racist? [ESPN’s Max Kellerman says yes]
Irish Central ^ | January 30, 2018 05:19 PM | Frances Mulraney

Posted on 01/30/2018 4:31:38 PM PST by Olog-hai

Speaking on the decision of the Cleveland Indians to no longer make use of the mascot Chief Wahoo as their uniform logo from 2019 onwards, co-host of ESPN’s “First Take” Max Kellerman argued on Tuesday that the University of Notre Dame should also be among those sports teams that take note of the offense caused by their mascot and make move to change it. […]

As well as wholeheartedly standing behind the decision of the Cleveland Indians, Kellerman next went one step further, drawing in the Notre Dame name as an example of another sports franchise that should show the same courtesy to the sections of society who believe their name to be offensive.

“Many Irish-Americans are not offended, but many are. And should that also change? The answer is yes, unequivocally yes,” Kellerman said.

“Pernicious, negative stereotypes of marginalized people that offend even some among them should be changed. It’s not that hard.” …

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TOPICS: Education; Local News; Society; Sports; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: chiefwahoo; cleveland; clevelandindians; espn; fightingirish; kellerman; looneyleft; mascot; maxkellerman; mediawingofthednc; notredame; ohio; partisanmediashills
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To: Olog-hai

What, this is bs of the highest order. Kellerman’s schtick is uber pc. Just a game


21 posted on 01/30/2018 4:44:35 PM PST by Stingray51
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To: Olog-hai

Oy vey...another media putz gets triggered by America.


22 posted on 01/30/2018 4:44:37 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: Olog-hai

Mess with it, see what happens.


23 posted on 01/30/2018 4:46:25 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Olog-hai

“Pernicious, negative stereotypes of marginalized people that offend even some among them should be changed...”

Someone can be offended by any name.

What about steel workers who are offended by the Pittsburgh Steelers moniker? Or the giant people who are offended by the Titans?

What about those people who work in a steam plant and are offended to be called Boilermakers.

It’s endless.


24 posted on 01/30/2018 4:47:27 PM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: Olog-hai

Whatever a SJW wants you to stop do it all the more, with gusto.

Whatever they want you to do: don’t.

If they’re upset about a flag or statue put up another.

Screw the SJWs and the PCdiots.

Laugh in their faces and deride them.


25 posted on 01/30/2018 4:47:40 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Olog-hai

There are a lot of dummies on ESPN. Kellernut is striving to lead the pack.


26 posted on 01/30/2018 4:48:55 PM PST by Henry Hnyellar
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To: jiggyboy
“I used to be Irish Catholic. Now I’m an American. You know—you grow!”

— “Class Clown”, 1972
I guess he rediscovered being Irish later on.
27 posted on 01/30/2018 4:50:23 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

That sounds better. Lol


28 posted on 01/30/2018 4:50:42 PM PST by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Olog-hai

This debate was settled in 1927, when Notre Dame withdrew its objections based on potential negative connotations, in an era of real anti-Catholic bias, and officially adopted Fighting Irish as the nickname of the school’s athletic teams. Like most liberals, Kellerman has no sense of history.


29 posted on 01/30/2018 4:52:37 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Kellerman is like 1984’s O’Brien, then; he believes that whomever controls the past is who will control the future.


30 posted on 01/30/2018 4:54:01 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Leaning Right; Olog-hai; Snowybear; blam
The great Mark Steyn, in a different context, commented on the prevalence of overtly Muslim names for sports teams representing Muslim schools in the the USA, while names like "The Crusaders" for school teams are banned for being non-PC.

Says Steyn, "I can't wait for [next year's] California sporting calendar: the San Diego Jihadi vs the Oakland Culturally Sensitives, the Malibu Hezbollah vs. the Santa Monica Inoffensives, the Pasadena Sword of the Infidel-Slayers vs. the Bakersfield Self-Deprecators, the San Jose Decapitators vs. the Berkeley Mutually Respectfuls."

31 posted on 01/30/2018 4:54:22 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What Part of Covfefe Do You Not Understand?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

He’s awesome. :D


32 posted on 01/30/2018 4:56:28 PM PST by Snowybear
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To: jiggyboy

The characterization of Irish immigrants as brawlers—especially if drunk— was common in the nineteenth century, and the early years of the 20th century.

The football team of Our Lady’s University was originally tagged with this description by a less than friendly press. Over time, Notre Dame developed a legendary team, who adopted the term with pride.

These days the fightin’ part is mostly identified with tenacity in the face of great adversity— which most certainly is a fair characterization of the Irish people in history.


33 posted on 01/30/2018 4:58:38 PM PST by independentmind (Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me.)
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To: Olog-hai

Kellerman being Kellerman, an empty suit.


34 posted on 01/30/2018 4:58:44 PM PST by Billyv ( Freedom isn't Free! Get off the sidelines!)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

I could be wrong but isn’t it possible that the nickname “Fighting Irish” derives from the heavy presence of Irish militia in the War of Independence fighting for George Washington or the all Irish militia units in the Civil War?

Without knowing for certain I wouldn’t assume it comes from Irish brawlers in pubs. But I don’t work for ESPN so what do I know?


35 posted on 01/30/2018 5:00:44 PM PST by TigersEye (A Russian Bot is a Russian Bot to his last dying day!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
Thanks Olog-hai. ESPN continues to be a sewer.

36 posted on 01/30/2018 5:01:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: TigersEye

The Irish people have frequently been associated with fighting—whether with valor in wars, or under the influence, in pubs.


37 posted on 01/30/2018 5:03:26 PM PST by independentmind (Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me.)
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To: independentmind

Fair enough.


38 posted on 01/30/2018 5:04:23 PM PST by TigersEye (A Russian Bot is a Russian Bot to his last dying day!)
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To: Olog-hai
Not only that, they persist in serving Lucky Charms in the dorm cafeterias.

DISCRIMINATION!! WAAAHHH!!!

39 posted on 01/30/2018 5:05:02 PM PST by OKSooner (Joan Rivers, RIP)
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To: Olog-hai

Just because of this, I’m going to change my “Proud to be Irish” bumper sticker to the 1850s version of my immigrant ancestors- “Proud to be a White N****r”.


40 posted on 01/30/2018 5:07:33 PM PST by fruser1
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