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1 posted on 01/29/2018 4:44:08 PM PST by IsraelBeach
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My limited knowledge of WWII and its key “players” suggests to me that Poland was more of a victim than a perpetrator.Yes,individual Poles may have committed crimes but I still remember what happened om 9/1/39...and in the weeks and months thereafter.
2 posted on 01/29/2018 4:48:55 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Remember: All Cultures Are Equal!)
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Well, one report had it that Poland wants to ban calling the Nazi murder factories located in Poland “Polish death camps” — arguing that they were built by the Nazi occupiers not Poland. To my limited way of thinking. This is an attempted disaffirmation of responsibility for the horrible things. This is not completely a bad sign. How would Jerusalem like it if Warsaw were to affirm pride in The camps being in Poland? —— so perhaps Jerusalem might wish to consider this a bit more carefully? Of course, there was a horrible amount of anti- Semitic discrimination and a lot of vicious treatment of Jewish people there. And some Poles murdered some Jews who managed to get free of the death camps🤬 too. Poland has one of the worst histories in this respect, a history going over several centuries. Poland is far far from innocent. Far from it. All I’m saying is that calling the Nazi death camps Polish death camps because they’re in Poland is worth reconsideration is all. And, I think maybe the Polish ban on the phrase may be a signal of a more positive attitude — one that both Jerusalem and Poland can build on. Imho. (But it will take work - and perhaps super- human discernment and care in such “little things” as choices of vocabulary etc). Saint John Paul 2 worked massively from a Christian perspective to try to correct and heal the Polish anti- semitism —- his effort should , I brlieve, serve well as a foundation stone to build better relations today.
4 posted on 01/29/2018 4:59:41 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: IsraelBeach

Why make an enemy of a friend? Poles were also victims of the Nazis AND the Soviets. This is not the best path.


5 posted on 01/29/2018 5:01:44 PM PST by StolarStorm
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Ps to Rivlin,you are quoted as mentioning right wing antiSemitism. Ok. But please remember that the vast majority of the worst, most deadly anti- semitism has proven to come from the left ( national socialism, communism, some of the Extreme leftwing DNC in recent years, etc). Please be alert to the hatemongers on the left also. Thanks.


6 posted on 01/29/2018 5:03:13 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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Stop yelling at the good child, Israel.


7 posted on 01/29/2018 5:08:02 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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They can go shove it, While I don’t agree with the polish law for freedom of speech purposes the fact that POLAND is one of the safest countries for WOMEN to visit because they have been keeping out the ISLAMIC RAPE-U-GEES unlike Germany and Sweden which have both become shit-hole countries.

Anyone worrying about Poland becoming anti-Semitic is not seeing the literal MILLIONS of anti-Semitic being imported into the EU by the like of Frau Merkel and the rest of the beta-male Ethno-Cucks in the EU parliament.

On that list of worrying about jew hating, Poland is waaay the hell on the bottom of that list of anti-Semitic countries to worry about....PERIOD


8 posted on 01/29/2018 5:08:31 PM PST by GraceG ("It's better to have all the Right Enemies, than it is to have all the Wrong Friends.")
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Poland was a place of refuge for Jews for 500 years until succumbing to Russian interference (and eventually German invasion). Jews aren’t permanently safe anywhere, even the USA, outside of the Land of Israel.

Poland seems historically less guilty of Jew-hate than most of Western Civilization.

Rivlin should give it a rest and say Kaddish.


9 posted on 01/29/2018 5:11:28 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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The state of being involved with others in an illegal activity or wrongdoing.
synonyms: collusion, involvement, collaboration, connivance
11 posted on 01/29/2018 5:19:57 PM PST by IsraelBeach
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The crying about the Holocaust is getting as bad as the crying about slavery.

We really need to get past this.


12 posted on 01/29/2018 5:34:46 PM PST by WilliamCooper1
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Haven’t the Germans limited some “free speech” as related to World War II? Why not allow the Poles too? “Polish Death Camps”, didn’t Obama say something like this?

Netanyahu also got behind this, I hope he wouldn’t let Soros influence him per another posting here.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-poland/israel-criticizes-bill-banning-statements-implicating-poland-in-holocaust-idUSKBN1FG0TZ


13 posted on 01/29/2018 5:36:04 PM PST by BeadCounter
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22 posted on 01/30/2018 5:16:53 AM PST by SJackson (The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement)
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Stupid law. This is a pot calling the kettle black situation. Israel and the Jewish lobbies in every Western country all support criminalizing statements about the Holocaust that they disagree with world wide. It’s quite hypocritical of them to bash Poland for trying to do the same thing in their own country.

I think people in all Western countries should have freedom to come to their own conclusions about all historical events and to speak their opinions freely without even the fear of government punishment.


26 posted on 01/31/2018 4:35:18 PM PST by WatchungEagle
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“Research into the Holocaust must be free, open, and sincere.”

Rivlin is a lying hypocrite. Israel criminalizes opinions about the Holocaust it doesn’t like. Israel also advocates that other countries criminalize such opinions.

It’s beyond disgusting to hear hypocrisy at this level. This is an outrageous slander campaign against Poland.


27 posted on 02/07/2018 12:50:26 PM PST by WatchungEagle
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