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Linus Torvalds declares Intel fix for Meltdown/Spectre ‘COMPLETE AND UTTER GARBAGE’
techcrunch ^ | 22 Jan 2018 | Devin Coldewey

Posted on 01/22/2018 6:51:07 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT

Is Intel really planning on making this shit architectural? Has anybody talked to them and told them they are f*cking insane?

They do literally insane things. They do things that do not make sense. That makes all your [i.e. Woodhouse’s] arguments questionable and suspicious. The patches do things that are not sane.

…So somebody isn’t telling the truth here. Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons. Sorry for having to point that out.

...Intel, for its part, offered the following statement: “We take the feedback of industry partners seriously. We are actively engaging with the Linux community, including Linus, as we seek to work together on solutions.” So at least they seem to still be on a first-name basis.

(Excerpt) Read more at techcrunch.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: intel; linustorvalds; linux; meltdown; spectre; windows
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Pencil in Torvalds as undecided.

And Intel wants to keep it's back door open? /s

1 posted on 01/22/2018 6:51:07 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Meltdown/Spectre are built in features


2 posted on 01/22/2018 6:53:35 PM PST by butlerweave
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To: DUMBGRUNT

The NSA’s and FBI’s back door.

And now also the ChiComs, Russians, various muslim groups, likely AntiFa trash too ... all because (I would suggest) they didn’t want Trump to play with a toy meant for Hillary and her kind.


3 posted on 01/22/2018 6:55:42 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: dayglored

Ping


4 posted on 01/22/2018 6:59:43 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Wisdom and education are different things. Don't confuse them.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Problem/Reaction/Solution


5 posted on 01/22/2018 6:59:52 PM PST by Trumpnado2016 (First year salvage, second year savage.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Linus Torvalds has a reputation for being extremely derogatory toward anything he doesn’t personally create, or use to create.


6 posted on 01/22/2018 7:00:15 PM PST by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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To: Steely Tom
Linus Torvalds has a reputation for being extremely derogatory toward anything he doesn’t personally create, or use to create.

Ditto!

It's one of the reasons that I stopped using Linux, or even following development of that OS.

Can't take the arrogance of that man, and of the many Linux followers who worship him as a god.
7 posted on 01/22/2018 7:11:01 PM PST by adorno
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To: DUMBGRUNT
And then there's this competing solution from Google:

Google: Our brilliant Spectre fix dodges performance hit, so you should all use it

8 posted on 01/22/2018 7:19:52 PM PST by TChad (Leftthink: Reality is sadly out of touch with the higher truth.)
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To: Steely Tom

About the same as Theo de Raadt of OpenBSD fame. Well maybe a tad bit more abrasive...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_de_Raadt


9 posted on 01/22/2018 7:21:49 PM PST by nevadapatriot
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Said the unpleasant, contemptible jackass.


10 posted on 01/22/2018 7:26:46 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: adorno

Torvalds is simply a demigod.

Unlike Gates or Lovelace.

Simply everyone knows that Jobs was Zeus.

I would go with The Woz.


11 posted on 01/22/2018 7:29:49 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT (This Space for Rent)
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To: adorno

Well, it’s not as though Stallman had enough time to come up with his own Linuxy kernel. Linus is a kernel guy, always was. Linux as a user environment is a misnomer. It should be called GNU. Linus has the right to opine on the impact on his kernel. Don’t like it, get another kernel.


12 posted on 01/22/2018 7:39:27 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: TChad

Intel Says the Patch Designed to Fix Flawed Chips Is Faulty

Intel Corp (INTC, +2.05%) said on Monday that patches it released to address two high-profile security vulnerabilities in its chips are faulty, advising customers, computer makers and cloud providers to stop installing them.

http://fortune.com/2018/01/22/intel-corp-patching-faulty-chips/


13 posted on 01/22/2018 7:46:18 PM PST by DUMBGRUNT (This Space for Rent)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Whoops, Linus was right.


14 posted on 01/22/2018 7:48:41 PM PST by TChad (Leftthink: Reality is sadly out of touch with the higher truth.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Linus has the right to opine on the impact on his kernel. Don’t like it, get another kernel.

Sounds like you and Linus went to the same school of arrogance.

BTW, I didn't like his attitude and I gave up on "his kernel", and I haven't missed it one bit. Heck, about 99% of PC users don't miss it either.
15 posted on 01/22/2018 8:04:20 PM PST by adorno
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Torvalds is simply a demigod.

Lucky for the world, he didn't go in the same direction as Mohammed, otherwise, we'd be bowing to the religion of Linobnoxious.
16 posted on 01/22/2018 8:08:52 PM PST by adorno
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To: Swordmaker

Ping


17 posted on 01/22/2018 8:11:25 PM PST by House Atreides (BOYCOTT the NFL, its products and players 100% - PERMANENTLY)
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To: adorno
Linus Torvalds has a reputation for being extremely derogatory toward anything he doesn’t personally create, or use to create.

although it’s quite true that Linux is effectively a cult of personality, in practice Linus is usually right to criticize; in this particular case his criticism is apt. Anyone who dares to work in Linux kernel development knows the score - Linus holds all the cards and he calls the crap out whenever he sees it because everyone trusts him to set the standard. Piss him off at your own risk, hey life’s too short for us to cater to snowflake mega corporations who plop CYA at the top of the todo list.

So far Linux has been the most successful ongoing project in the history of software. And Linus has always had the last word. So if he calls some kernel patch crap I’m certainly going to examine it carefully before I pick it up and try to defend it.

18 posted on 01/22/2018 8:11:26 PM PST by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote...)
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To: nevadapatriot

Having had substantive conversations with both Theo and Linus I’m going to have to say although both guys are totally genius, Linus is an order of magnitude better at engineering management. Theo is too much control freak, though he’s improved some in recent years.


19 posted on 01/22/2018 8:27:04 PM PST by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote...)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Bummer for them. totally disheartening.


20 posted on 01/22/2018 8:31:33 PM PST by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote...)
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