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To: pabianice
I know mine is probably a minority opinion, but we are either free or we are not.

If a person is incarcerated, is on probation, or on parole, then no, they shouldn't enjoy all the same rights as free people do. However, if you've paid your state-mandated penalty, and are no longer incarcerated, on probation, or on parole, then you should have all rights restored.

Yes, even the right to own a firearm.

If a person is too dangerous to society to own a firearm, then they are too dangerous to release back into society.

24 posted on 01/03/2018 8:51:06 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

I’ve got no problem with that, in general, for non-violent felons.

However, I think the punishment for certain violent felonies should include a lifetime of probation, when/if the offender is released from prison.


32 posted on 01/03/2018 9:21:47 AM PST by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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To: IYAS9YAS

“To: pabianice
I know mine is probably a minority opinion, but we are either free or we are not.”

Agreed-
Mega Up Votes to you

Once time has been served, restore all rights.


36 posted on 01/03/2018 9:27:20 AM PST by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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To: IYAS9YAS

I agree with you on the voting part, at least. Except that people who commit vote fraud should lose the franchise for life.

Typical forgetting of history by the NYT. Post-Civil War revocation of the franchise was not initially “racist,” i.e. against blacks, but directed against white Confederates for rebellion as written in the 14th Amendment.


39 posted on 01/03/2018 9:41:52 AM PST by heartwood (Someone has to play devil's advocate.)
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To: IYAS9YAS
I know mine is probably a minority opinion, but we are either free or we are not.

I agree with you. If someone's doing their time for their crime then that's one thing, but once they're finished and back out paying taxes and living a normal life again, I see no reason to put restrictions on them about voting/guns/etc.

If someone committed voter fraud felonies, then I can see blocking them from voting during their parole/probation after they've done their time, and similar restrictions on gun ownership if they have a history of armed robberies or something like that.

But... to forbid someone like Dinesh D'Souza from ever voting again because he was convicted of giving his cousin a thousand bucks during her campaign is completely unfair in my opinion.

46 posted on 01/03/2018 10:10:20 AM PST by Cementjungle
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