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To: GoldenState_Rose

>Putin talks up a good game when the West is weak. BUT does he ever acknowledge the role his beloved old USSR had in the rampant and insidious channels by which Soviet ideology infiltrated and *secularized* the WEST and moved some of our core institutions towards leftism and socialism? (And continues to!)

Every time I wonder if you know something of value, you open up proving that you know jack about American history. The American left pushed this country off a cliff while they supported the Communism at every turn. Russian Bolsheviks only succeed because progressives like Rockefeller funded them and American engineers built those factories that allowed the USSR to be an industrial power for so long. The American left has been the useful helpers of communism since the beginning.

>No, rather, he calls the fall of the Soviet Union the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the past century.

The fall of the Russian empire was a disaster for Russia, but Putin’s made no moves towards rebuild communism. Instead, American universities trained our own kids to hate Christianity & capitalism while praising Socialism and Marxism. Whining about Putin rebuilding the church in order to strengthen the Russian people while ignoring the left utter destroying our own nation is nuts.

Here’s Putin on Lenin:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/25/vladmir-putin-accuses-lenin-of-placing-a-time-bomb-under-russia

>Vladimir Putin has denounced Lenin and his Bolshevik government for their brutal repressions and accused him of having placed a “time bomb” under the state.

>The criticism of Lenin, who is still revered by communists and many others in Russia, is unusual for the Russian president, who in the past carefully weighed his comments about the nation’s history to avoid alienating some voters. At the same time, he signalled that the government had no intention of taking Lenin’s body out of his Red Square tomb, warning against “any steps that would divide society”.
Russia’s GDP falls 3.7% as sanctions and low oil price take effect

>Putin’s assessment of Lenin’s role in Russian history during Monday’s meeting with pro-Kremlin activists in the southern city of Stavropol was markedly more negative than in the past. He denounced Lenin and his government for brutally executing Russia’s last tsar along with all his family and servants, killing thousands of priests and placing a time bomb under the Russian state by drawing administrative borders along ethnic lines.

>As an example of Lenin’s destructive legacy, Putin pointed to Donbass, the industrial region in eastern Ukraine where a pro-Russia separatist rebellion flared up weeks after Russia’s March 2014 annexation of Crimea. More than 9,000 people have been killed in the conflict since April 2014, and clashes have continued despite a February 2015 peace deal.

>He said Lenin’s government had whimsically drawn borders between parts of the USSR, placing Donbass under the Ukrainian jurisdiction in order to increase the percentage of proletariat in a move Putin called “delirious”.


>Russia has faithful Christians and priests/monastics among the population, but as a nation it will not be able to claim a leadership mantle so long as it harbors Putin’s government — which directly traces its roots to the Bolshevik terror, to Stalin, despite the collapse of the USSR.

Christianity’s natural function has been that of a state religion. There’s a reason that Jesus said that rulers are placed in charge of people by God’s will and why Christianity flourished for so long under first the Roman Emperors and then under the Kings and Dukes of Europe.

>And it’s not as though the tsars* were the much better, give or take a few.

The czars built Russia in the middle of a sea of wasteland and Mongols. They embraced Christainity when they might have embraced Islam. Russia has a brutal and bloody history, but given what they had to build their nation out of I wouldn’t knock them for it.

>The Russian Orthodox Church needs to forge an identity separate from the earthly whims of Empire.

That’s a direct contradiction of most of Christain history. When churches went rogue in Europe we ended with bloody Religous wars that wiped out whole regions. When we returned to the biblical practices of letting the state determine the religious structure Christianity spread to every corner of the globe.

>And the Russian State and PEOPLE need to completely divorce from the Bolshevik legacy through a process of repentance and genuine spiritual renewal.

Bolshevikism is dead everywhere but in the west where it’s finding a new birthright in our midst. You’re tilting at windmills while monsters walk among the America population. Antifa would gladly murder every last Christain.


31 posted on 12/07/2017 10:54:00 PM PST by JohnyBoy (The GOP Senate is intentionally trying to lose the majority.)
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To: JohnyBoy

Oh JohnyBoy, you will defend Vladdy Poots to the bitter end! Nope! I gave him the benefit of the doubt when I went over to his land. All I knew of Russia was its amazing, beautiful arts and culture. And that Christianity had been revived, that Putin stuck up for it (albeit via a political system unlike ours but I still kept an open mind), that traditional marriage was defended...and all I knew of the opposition was Pussy Riot desecrating cathedrals.

So I was quite pro-Putin if anything.

Then I lived there. Still love the place, the incredible, beautiful people, culture, and potential.

But those days of me being pro-Putin are OVER. And its because I love the place so much that I feel this way.


32 posted on 12/07/2017 11:01:58 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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