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To: jeffersondem; BroJoeK; rockrr; x
~~ Many slave owners - Jefferson was one - may have, at the time, considered slaves taking arms to murder their masters as slave revolts, or slave rebellions, or slave insurrection ~~

If, as you say, Jefferson ”may have” considered those three alternative phrases (which you seem to be force feeding us), he certainly did not use them. And that makes the leap from condensing “very people”, “rise in arms” and “murder” to “domestic insurrection” even more of stretch. You are fabricating stepping stones. By the way, Jefferson was chagrined when he learned his Slavery grievance was stricken. Don’t forget that we don’t know who penned the phrase “domestic insurrection” or what it means. Good luck in you research and please keep us posted.

423 posted on 12/07/2017 9:41:56 PM PST by HandyDandy ("Do you think the rain will hurt the rhubarb?")
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To: HandyDandy; BroJoeK; rockrr; x

“Don’t forget that we don’t know who penned the phrase “domestic insurrection” or what it means.”

Historians and students of history of all political stripes largely agree on what it means.

http://edu.lva.virginia.gov/online_classroom/shaping_the_constitution/doc/dunmores_proclamation

http://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history-primary-documents

http://colonialhall.com/histdocs/declaration/declarationanalysis27.php

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part2/2h33.html

https://theamericanscholar.org/domestic-insurrection/

https://pdjeliclark.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/he-has-excited-domestic-insurrections-amongst-us-american-slavery-on-the-4th-of-july/


426 posted on 12/08/2017 6:11:38 AM PST by jeffersondem
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To: HandyDandy

“Don’t forget that we don’t know who penned the phrase “domestic insurrection” or what it means.”

We may not know who penned the phrase “domestic insurrection” but we do know who authorized its inclusion in the DOI: the representatives of the slave states. All thirteen of the slave states.


428 posted on 12/08/2017 7:37:15 AM PST by jeffersondem
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To: HandyDandy

“If, as you say, Jefferson ”may have” considered those three alternative phrases (which you seem to be force feeding us), he certainly did not use them.”

The use of “may have” in the context of “slaves taking arms to murder their masters” was simply a test of my own capacity for understatement.

Sorry for the confusion.


436 posted on 12/09/2017 5:07:28 PM PST by jeffersondem
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