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USS Fitzgerald, USS John McCain ‘Avoidable’ Collisions Due to Lapses in Basic Seamanship
United States Naval Institute ^ | November 1, 2017 | Sam LaGrone and Ben Werner

Posted on 11/03/2017 10:23:13 AM PDT by Retain Mike

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To: Retain Mike

But the little snowflake ship drivers are experts in diversity and transgender ROEs.

JoMa


21 posted on 11/03/2017 12:25:48 PM PDT by joma89
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To: Bayard

Yeah, this is what affirmative action, diversity and all that other PC sh!t gets you. Remedial action might include a flogging through the fleet for those responsible.


22 posted on 11/03/2017 12:38:42 PM PDT by technically right
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Like you I am very skeptical. I would like to place these people in a position where they had to explain what they were doing all these years instead of teaching and learning basic seamanship? Oh, that’s right. They were learning basic “personship” according to DOD social engineering guidelines.


23 posted on 11/03/2017 12:47:06 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Retain Mike

The detail of the two investigations at the link is really enlightening as to what happened.

Pox on both ships’ officers as well as crew on-duty.


24 posted on 11/03/2017 1:08:19 PM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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The Naval Institute should be the best source for this subject. I saved everything in a file, and haven’t had a chance to look at it yet. I’ll spend a good deal of time on it though. During the Vietnam era I stood a lot of bridge watches in Tokyo Wan, and at least two around Singapore.


25 posted on 11/03/2017 1:22:41 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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Yeah, Hong Kong harbor was also a real nerve-wringer. Radar screen looked like it had the measles, plus all the go-fasts and junks cutting in front of the bow. Talk about pucker factor- my butthole was biting quarter-sized chunks of upholstery out of the watch officer's chair til we were made fast somewhere.

And people wonder why sailors drink...

26 posted on 11/03/2017 2:21:25 PM PDT by 60Gunner (The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato)
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We went into Hong Kong twice for liberty and once for two weeks as admin ship. I stood watches going in and out of there at least six times. It must have been scary enough that I have blocked out those times completely. The fishing craft always bothered me because I could see the single mast head light, but they seldom painted on the radar.

As I said in another post, I have a clear memory of being completely exhausted coming off those watches.


27 posted on 11/03/2017 2:48:43 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Retain Mike

I was not in the Navy or on merchant ships but I am a procedural guy and like the checklist manifesto sort of thinking so have read up on all this when the first one happened. Even paid some attention to people around Bath where the ships were built when I was up there this summer.

That this could happen twice in one year is beyond stupid for the Pacific Fleet.


28 posted on 11/03/2017 2:54:40 PM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: KC Burke

I was thinking back to my 19 months in the western Pacific from May 1970 through December 1971 when we had a whole lot more ships and I can’t remember a single collision. The operating tempo in Vietnam meant that anything that could was underway.


30 posted on 11/03/2017 7:15:48 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: 60Gunner

I remember now showing up on radar was not a problem for a couple boats off the Vietnam coast at night. However, when we ran into the entire ChiCom or Taiwanese fishing fleet at night in the Straits of Taiwan there were dozens of lights at a time appearing as if they were white dots in a two dimensional picture.


31 posted on 11/03/2017 7:34:10 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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I never sailed of the Straits of Taiwan. We preferred to stay on the friendly side (that is, the east coast of Taiwan) even if we were making passage from Kaosiung to Taipei. Our company deemed sailing the Straits an unnecessary risk. Someone must have hated the Chicoms.


32 posted on 11/04/2017 5:45:57 AM PDT by 60Gunner (The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato)
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I remember that after they closed down the destroyer squadron Seventh Fleet had in Taipan they often routed ships through the straits on their way to and from Vietnam. Remembering the Pueblo, our CO said he was going to fight the ship if confronted. I realize now that was not going to be a pleasant experience , because the heaviest armament on our LST was three dual 3”50cal anti-aircraft mounts.


33 posted on 11/04/2017 10:54:31 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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