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To: Architect of Paradise; MHGinTN; Mark17; daniel1212
RE "The Truth About Spanking" your remark was: I’m against it. It teaches children that their parents are willing to physically hurt them. That’s bad.

Nonsense. What it teaches is that a just form of government is willing to hurt them if one will not learn to control his/her own actions. Every single human infant starts out with a determination to have one's own way, and this survival instinct must come under control.

From infancy, the child must learn that his/her inborn willingness to hurt--even kill--others in the pursuit of gaining one's own will must be curbed, and the morality of it must begin to be internalized.

And that is good, not bad.

The first instance of another superimposing their own will over that of the infant is in the matter of which of you is going to determine the feeding schedule of the infant. If the child "wins" that battle over an adult through temper tantrums, the individual's irrational unmanageable behavior starts being locked into place, and harder to overcome when the next issue crops up.

In the end, physical damage or even imprisonment or the electric chair may be the only effective way to stop that individual's oppositional defiance, employed in harming others.

Apparently, you do not wish to come to grips with this issue, understand it, and justly apply forceful correction until its moral end is achieved. I do not respect your mindset, at all.

In the Christian Bible, the book of Proverbs graciously reveals the wisdom of the All-Wise God, and nine verses of it deal with the use of the rod to govern a Hell-bent individual. The proper, timely, and determined application of the rod may save another human from a hellish life and death:

Proverbs 23:13-14 AV:

Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

You had best not continue to ignore this nugget of golden truth. It might be wise of you, and others like you, to read and digest this fine book giving the theory and methods of how to acculturate yourself and your own get, starting now, if you do not wish your username to become a laughingstock, an oxymoron for your imitators. You method does not lead to Paradise, as the Good Book shows.

The first survival trait you should cultivate in your offspring (as well as your own associates, by the way) is a healthy respect of you as a representative of the world about him/her.

74 posted on 09/01/2017 3:50:16 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1
From infancy, the child must learn that his/her inborn willingness to hurt--even kill--others in the pursuit of gaining one's own will must be curbed, and the morality of it must begin to be internalized.
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And that is good, not bad.

Excellent.

113 posted on 09/01/2017 8:29:07 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Your Free Speech is Violence. My Violence is Free Speech.)
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To: imardmd1
Nonsense. What it teaches is that a just form of government is willing to hurt them if one will not learn to control his/her own actions. Every single human infant starts out with a determination to have one's own way, and this survival instinct must come under control.

5 stars!

Those who are not sufficiently controlled from within, by God and a sound conscience, must sooner or later be controlled from without, necessitating the growth of civil government. Robert Winthrop (May 12, 1809 – November 16, 1894), and Speaker of the House from 1838 to 1840, and later president of the Massachusetts Bible Society, explained that, “All societies of men must be governed in some way or other. The less they may have of stringent State Government, the more they must have of individual self-government. The less they rely on public law or physical force, the more they must rely on private moral restraint. Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled, either by a power within them, or by a power without them; either by the Word of God, or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible, or by the bayonet. It may do for other countries and other governments to talk about the State supporting religion. Here, under our own free institutions, it is Religion which must support the State." (Speech to the Massachusetts Bible Society (1849-05-28), quoted in Robert Winthrop, Addresses and Speeches on Various Occasions, Little, Brown & Co., 1852, p. 172)

It thus follows that the weaker the church is, the more powerful the State must become. “For the transgression of a land many are the princes thereof” (Prv. 28:2a). And if the Government itself becomes less governed by Biblical precepts and principles, calling evil good, and good evil (Is. 5:20), and contrary to it's charter, punishes those who do good and praises them that do evil (contra. 1 Pet. 2:14), then “the wicked shall do wickedly,” and persecute those who would actually preserve the State by calling it to be instructed by Christ (Ps. 2). And while in such persecution, the Christ - believing remnant “shall be purified, and made white, and tried” (Dan., 12:10), yet both willful hypocrites and the church that sought to save it's life by compromising truth and placating sin will lose what they sought to save, for some even their eternal souls (Mt. 7:21-23)!

And denying that judicious use of corporal punishment is sometimes needed and right is part of that spiritual and corporate declension.

More , by God's grace.

119 posted on 09/01/2017 8:35:07 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + folllow Him)
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To: imardmd1

Your post exemplified sound and fury, signifying nothing.


137 posted on 09/01/2017 9:52:12 AM PDT by Architect of Avalon
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To: imardmd1

The feeding schedule of an infant is whenever they are hungry.

They often go through growth spurts and NEED more nurishment at those times.

When adults are hungry they go and feed themselves. They can do that.

The child is completely at the mercy of the adult in that regard and forcing them to go hungry to teach them “discipline” is child abuse.

There are plenty of other arenas in which to teach them self-discipline.

Using food is NOT one of them.


185 posted on 09/02/2017 8:46:44 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: imardmd1

The feeding schedule of an infant is whenever they are hungry.

They often go through growth spurts and NEED more nurishment at those times.

When adults are hungry they go and feed themselves. They can do that.

The child is completely at the mercy of the adult in that regard and forcing them to go hungry to teach them “discipline” is child abuse.

There are plenty of other arenas in which to teach them self-discipline.

Using food is NOT one of them.


186 posted on 09/02/2017 8:46:44 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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