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1 posted on 08/14/2017 4:13:48 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
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2 posted on 08/14/2017 4:14:37 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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John Dewey


3 posted on 08/14/2017 4:18:03 PM PDT by Stirner
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Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink.
- P. J. O’Rourke


4 posted on 08/14/2017 4:19:17 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Biology is not bigotry.)
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Not a philosopher in the strict sense, but Charles Beard contributed his share of mischief.


5 posted on 08/14/2017 4:23:15 PM PDT by Buttons12
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I say it is Saul Alinsky.


6 posted on 08/14/2017 4:32:38 PM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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In so far as Dewey actually was a philosopher, that's a good answer. Most of the other progressive thinkers were political scientists or sociologists or anthropologists or economists or historians, not actually philosophers.

Croly was probably the chief political theorist among the progressives, but much of what was done grew out of practical politics. In other words, Croly described what was happening as well as inspired what would happen.

Herbert Croly provided what the politicians were looking for, just as John Dewey provided a philosophy that the intellectuals could use if they wished, but progressivism didn't depend on any one philosopher in the way that Marxism did, and one could be progressive without having read Dewey or Croly.

The country had seen years of socialist and populist thought and activism, and those who led the progressive movement were already inclined towards social reform whether through Bellamy or George or William Jennings Bryan or Darwin or Hegel or Marx or Lester Ward or Veblen or Ruskin or the Social Gospel movement.

7 posted on 08/14/2017 4:33:10 PM PDT by x
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I should qualify-the foundational thinker for what “progressivism” exists as today.

And I take issue with the label. They are liberals and leftists. I am sick and tired of their appropriation of language.


8 posted on 08/14/2017 4:34:43 PM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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What about Robert La Follette, the actual creator of the Progressive Party?


9 posted on 08/14/2017 4:44:36 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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2) Edward Bellamy

The Bellamy salute....

Another thing the left wants you all to forget.

10 posted on 08/14/2017 5:17:40 PM PDT by GraceG ("It's better to have all the Right Enemies, than it is to have all the Wrong Friends.")
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Doubtless the SJWs think they just invented it.


12 posted on 08/14/2017 5:29:00 PM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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I believe the origins of the Progressive movement had intellectuals in the eugenics ideology that wanted a perfect human being. The only way that was possible came when the government had total control of the population. The autonomy of the individual became secondary. Submission to the government was the new direction they would take the world. The eugenics movement of the 20th Century emerged in the United Kingdom and spread around the world. It was based upon Darwin's Origin of Specis which described the survival of the fittest. That was the basis of British eugenicists Sir Francis Galton. His ideas were put forth in his Inquiries into Human Faculty and Its Development. His ideas made a impact on British intellectuals.

It was American, Charles Davenport, who expanded on Galton's scientific theories to make it a popular concept world wide. Margaret Sanger borrowed from these ideas to make them the basis of Planned Parenthood. These theories inspired the American Progressives working for an Utopian world through the might of Big Government. When life is subordinated to others, the ideology of fascism is born. When Democrats in America adopted the eugenics ideology to apply to American Indians and Blacks, they became fascists and what I call DemonRATS. The eugenics ideology had great influence on another monster of history: Adolf Hitler.

13 posted on 08/14/2017 5:29:43 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The Left has a mental illness: A totalitarian psyche.)
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John Dewey.

D’Sousza and some others have a fixation on Wilson. Dewey was far more influential as a philosopher.


14 posted on 08/14/2017 5:36:33 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate California. Deport Mexico Now)
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From what I've seen it's...


15 posted on 08/14/2017 5:40:13 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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The first people that came to mind were Croly, Dewey and Marcuse. Croly founded the New Republic, a perennial left wing propaganda arm. Outside of America, Gramsci and the founders of the Frankfurt School. Have to admit, I didn't know about George and Bellamy.

The more you know, the more you find out you don't know.

18 posted on 08/14/2017 6:22:35 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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Giovanni Gentile was “Mussolini’s Philosopher” of Fascism.

FDR handed out Gentile’s book to his cabinet members.


20 posted on 08/14/2017 7:30:28 PM PDT by BeauBo
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21 posted on 08/14/2017 7:34:16 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the SEALs of Extortion 17 - and God Bless The United States of America.)
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Bus driver in Rochester, NY in the late '50s.

Had been swimming in the public pools(s) in Genesee Valley Park (they had separate pools for boys and for girls) and had bought a Sugar Daddy before getting on the bus. The driver noticed I had a whole candy unit and the kid in the next aisle had none so he came back, brought out a pen knife and cut my Sugar Daddy in half because "it wasn't right for someone to have so much while someone else had nothing. For all he knew, the other kid's old man might have been making multiples of what my Dad was but it didn't matter.

Mentioned it to my Dad and he asked some questions and mused on it for a while. I was 6 or 7 and he didn't go over in discussing it but a few days later he told me that I wouldn't have anyone "sharing" my candy on the bus w/o my permission anymore.

22 posted on 08/15/2017 3:14:45 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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If you've got the time and energy and interest you could work out a chart of the various thinkers, schools, trends, and influences.

One important influence who's long been forgotten or ignored was Lester Ward. The "reform Darwinist" Ward was an early supporter of the welfare state who influenced Croly and others.

Edward A. Ross was another forgotten progressive thinker. If he's remembered at all, it's for some of his views on race and eugenics which would now be regarded as politically incorrect.

23 posted on 08/15/2017 2:16:19 PM PDT by x
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There are several people identified that are entirely correct namely, Herbert Croly, John Dewey and Karl Marx. Including President Woodrow Wilson in the list is also a good idea. However there is one other individual that should be included.

His name is Frederick Engels. While being no expert, I remembered something of how he impacted the early thinking of progressive social change. I’ve taken the liberty to include some snippets about him and his imput from: “Engels, Modernity, and Classical Social Theory” By Douglas Kellner. The entire article can be found at: Homepage: http://www.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/kellner/kellner.html
Curriculum Vitae: http://www.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/kellner/DK97CV.htm if anyone is interested. What follows are some flavor quotes from the article.

“Frederick Engels and Karl Marx were among the first to develop systematic perspectives on modern societies and to produce a critical discourse on modernity, thus inaugurating the problematic of modern social theory. In most of the narratives of classical social theory, Marx alone is usually cited as one of the major founders of the problematic, while Engels is neglected. It is Marx who is usually credited as one of the first to develop a theory of modernity and a critical social theory that links the rise of modern societies with the emergence of capitalism. Yet Engels preceded Marx in focusing attention on the differences between modern and premodern society, and then on the constitutive role of capitalism in producing a new modern world. As I show in this study, from the late 1830s into the 1840s, Engels played a leading role in theorizing the distinctive features of the modern world, and he inspired Marx to see the importance of capitalism in constructing a distinctively new modern society.”

“Thus, as early as 1839, Engels deplores the horrific working and living conditions of the working class and depicts it as a reprehensible effect of modern industrial development. In the latter part of his “Letters,” and in many other newspaper articles written over the next few years, Engels describes in great detail “modern” literature, culture, and thought of the present, equating “modern” cultural tendencies with Enlightenment criticism and the contemporary literature of the “Young Germany” movement, which he champions against reactionary Pietistic thought and backwards German literature. In the voluminous newspapers articles and sketches of the early Engels, he reveals himself to be, like Marx, a great partisan of modernity, an avatar of modern ideas, as well as a sharp critic of the impact of modern conditions on the working class (see Engels in CW2).”

“’But as long as you continue to produce in the present unconscious, thoughtless manner, at the mercy of chance—for just so long trade crises will remain; and each successive crisis is bound to become more universal and therefore worse than the preceding one; is bound to impoverish a larger body of small capitalists, and to augment in increasing proportion the numbers of the class who live by labour alone, thus considerably enlarging the mass of labour to be employed (the major problem of our economists) and finally causing a social revolution such as has never been dreamt of in the philosophy of the
economists’(CW3, 434).”


25 posted on 08/17/2017 12:56:45 PM PDT by Kalam (<: The answer is 42 :>)
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