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Why a Bear Attacked a Teen In His Sleep
National Geographic ^ | 10 Jul, 2017 | Sarah Gibbens

Posted on 07/11/2017 3:09:18 PM PDT by MtnClimber

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To: Eddie01

The campers were sleeping in the open by the lake. They probably looked like big burritos.


61 posted on 07/11/2017 6:04:55 PM PDT by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: MileHi

Two bold bears have been put down on my end of town already this year.

An idiot was feeding bears last year, she got arrested and they put 6 bears down.

But I don’t live with a majority lib demographic so things might vary.


62 posted on 07/11/2017 7:45:32 PM PDT by dangerdoc (disgruntled)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I had never heard of the breed. From what I read, they are a perfect hunting dog.


63 posted on 07/11/2017 8:13:00 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Seruzawa

Big heavy gun to pack around. I carry something a little lighter, a Glock 20. A relative who spends a lot more time in the mountains than me carries a light weight 357. I’ve even read that a 40 S&W with cast bullets has adequate penetration for black bear.

But then again, I’ve heard from others that you are crazy to carry anything smaller than a 45-70. I assume they are not hikers.

Personally I feel much less likely to be harmed by a bear than by a fellow human out in the woods.


64 posted on 07/11/2017 8:15:15 PM PDT by dangerdoc (disgruntled)
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To: MtnClimber
Moral of the story...don't fall asleep with a box of HoneyNut Cereal wihle in bear country


65 posted on 07/11/2017 8:26:36 PM PDT by Daffynition (The New PTSD: PRESIDENT-Trump Stress Disorder” - The LSN didn’t make Trump, so they can’t break T)
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To: dangerdoc

My 44 Ruger doesn’t encumber me much. It doesn’t really feel much heavier than a 1911. 6 300gr bear busters affords peace of mind.


66 posted on 07/11/2017 9:58:21 PM PDT by Seruzawa (FABOL)
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To: dangerdoc
The black bears on the Long Beach peninsula of Wa, where we lived, are over-multiplying. They say they have no money to relocate them.

They run across the main streets in broad daylight or show up in your backyard or even at the elementary school

We used to watch the cameras at night at the hospital where I worked and the bears were always hitting the garbage there. When I was called in at night to work I stepped in bear scat in the dark many times in our driveway...

None of these bears were ever fearful of humans as they lived side by side with them on a daily basis.

67 posted on 07/12/2017 4:13:13 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: dhs12345
I had never heard of the breed. From what I read, they are a perfect hunting dog.

One of the dog breeds that is most difficult to train. My friend runs the largest search and rescue operation in California, using this breed. He's developed a great training procedure he shared when I trained my dog.

Not a breed for casual owners - as most are.

68 posted on 07/12/2017 10:16:15 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Interesting...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelian_Bear_Dog.


69 posted on 07/12/2017 3:37:34 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

dhs, it is hard to understand the power of this breed until you see them in person. I got to handle three that belong to my friend.

They are not large dogs, but they can run 35 mph, are incredibly agile, highly intelligent, fierce and unstoppable when on a mission, protective, and have greater jaw strength than a pit bull.

Again, hard to train as a primitive dog. Certainly not for a casual owner or inexperienced dog owner.


70 posted on 07/12/2017 5:49:32 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Wonder about their origins.


71 posted on 07/12/2017 5:54:02 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

Origins are like most primitive dogs that are related to wolves -
but lost in the mists of time in the Karelian mountains.

Better they remain obscure. They are too much dog for +99% of people.


72 posted on 07/12/2017 6:01:35 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

That is what I wondered — wolf and breeding for specific characteristics.


73 posted on 07/12/2017 7:00:12 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

That is what I wondered — wolf and breeding for specific characteristics.


74 posted on 07/12/2017 7:00:14 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

Hard to say now - though most breeds have previous breeds in their heritage.

Those previous breeds are often now extinct. This is true of the KBD.


75 posted on 07/12/2017 7:04:26 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: dhs12345

From Wiki...

“According to archaeological records, dogs very similar to the modern Russo-European Laika and the Karelian Bear Dog existed in northeastern Europe and Scandinavia since Neolithic times. The breed standard for KBDs and Laikas today calls for a black-and-white marked dog, but originally the breed included individuals with coats of wolf gray of various shades, red coats like the standard spitz, and black-and-tan specimens as well.”


76 posted on 07/12/2017 7:08:05 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Ya. Not very specific. Always wonder how much is nature vs nurture. In an isolated area and breeding for a specific abilities over many generations can produce a dog that meets these characteristics. The humans probably contributed more to its abilities than genetics?

Apparently, socialization was not as important as a specific function — hunting and survival (of the humans)?

Of course of lot of dogs were bread for hunting. Even the rather strange shapes and sizes — small to be able to enter holes in the ground and chase after and capture prey.

Surprising that all breeds originated from the wolf and they are what they are today because of humans.


77 posted on 07/13/2017 6:46:07 AM PDT by dhs12345
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