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Confederate street names stir debate in ... New York City?
Associated Press ^ | Jul 1, 2017 11:01 AM EDT | Deepti Hajela

Posted on 07/01/2017 10:34:07 AM PDT by Olog-hai

Two of the Confederate Army’s best-known leaders have streets named for them in a place not normally associated with the Southern side of the Civil War — New York City. Now some elected officials are trying to undo it.

They say it’s high time Stonewall Jackson Drive and General Lee Avenue in Brooklyn are renamed, pushing to join a number of Southern cities that have removed or are considering taking down Confederate statues and other memorials in public places.

“To honor these men who believed in the ideology of white supremacy and fought to maintain the institution of slavery constitutes a grievous insult to the many thousands of people in Brooklyn who are descendants of the slaves held in bondage,” says a letter sent to Army Secretary Robert Speer recently by Reps. Yvette Clarke, Jerrold Nadler, Nydia Velazquez and Hakeem Jeffries, members of Congress who all represent parts of the borough.

The roads aren’t readily accessible by the general public; they run through Fort Hamilton, an active military base in southwestern Brooklyn next to the Bay Ridge and Dyker Heights neighborhoods. As part of their U.S. Army careers, both Robert E. Lee and Thomas ”Stonewall” Jackson spent time at the fort — Lee in the early part of the 1840s and Jackson toward the end of that decade, well before the Civil War started in 1861. …

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TOPICS: History; Local News
KEYWORDS: bayridge; brooklyn; confederacy; forthamilton; generallee; nadler; nyc; stonewalljackson
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1 posted on 07/01/2017 10:34:07 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

It’s high time to rename all the Chavez streets and streets named after socialists who only wanted to subjugate the masses under their control.

I’m sick of this revisionist history crap and it’s high time we start fighting back.

I will NOT see American history black washed.


2 posted on 07/01/2017 10:40:29 AM PDT by Skywise
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To: Olog-hai
Fort Hamilton is Federal property. Ergo, this is a nonstarter. " “To honor these men who believed in the ideology of white supremacy and fought to maintain the institution of slavery constitutes a grievous insult..." "...ideology of white supremacy and fought to maintain the institution of slavery..." Typical leftist propaganda from NYC.
3 posted on 07/01/2017 10:42:20 AM PDT by heterosupremacist (Domine Iesu Christe, Filius Dei, miserere me peccatorem!)
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To: Olog-hai

They don’t just want to rewrite history, they want to erase anything that is not in alignment with liberalism. Good God...


4 posted on 07/01/2017 10:47:11 AM PDT by simpson96
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To: heterosupremacist

Of course, Fort Hood would have to be renamed. And For Jackson.

And every other army institution named for someone who served in the southern forces.

Because, while in 1865 it was determined that the north would acknowledge the valor (if not the cause) of our fellow citizens from the south,

it has now been decided that even that must not be recognized.


5 posted on 07/01/2017 10:47:30 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Olog-hai

And just how much infrastructure built in the north from taxes paid by Va., N.C., S.C., and Ga. remains? 90% of that was funded by taxes on the afore mentioned states.

Let’s start there. Rip it out!!!


6 posted on 07/01/2017 10:56:43 AM PDT by Original Lurker
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To: Olog-hai

Lee and Jackson were Virginians.

Their motive was simple. Remove blue uniforms from Virginian soil.

Other concerns were peripheral to them.


7 posted on 07/01/2017 11:01:52 AM PDT by lurk
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To: Olog-hai; Skywise; simpson96; CondorFlight
I just sent this letter to about 40 papers and commentators.

From: Retain Mike Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 11:31 PM To: Rush Limbaugh (elrushbo@eibnet.us) Subject: Civil War Military Heritage

This country owes as much of its enviable martial heritage to Southern as Northern soldiers. But in subservience to popular morality, we must now banish the Confederate battle flag and those who served under it. Responding to such assertions Ulysses Grant would repeat from Appomattox, “I felt like anything rather than rejoicing at the downfall of a foe who had fought so long and valiantly, and had suffered so much for a cause, though that cause was, I believe, one of the worst for which a people ever fought, and one for which there was the least excuse. I do not question, however, the sincerity of the great mass of those who were opposed to us”.

When Joshua Chamberlain received the Confederate surrender he said, “Before us in proud humiliation stood the embodiment of manhood: men whom neither toils and sufferings, nor the fact of death, nor disaster, nor hopelessness could bend from their resolve; standing before us now, thin, worn, and famished, but erect, and with eyes looking level into ours, waking memories that bound us together as no other bond;—was not such manhood to be welcomed back into a Union so tested and assured?”

The issues of states’ rights, secession, and slavery were resolved by the bloodiest conflict this country ever endured. Great men like Grant, Sherman, Lee, and Johnston and their soldiers ended this terrible war, that fire-eaters of both persuasions had stumbled into and could not contain.

Now similar intellectual dwarfs would rewrite this history.

Partial Bibliography:

Personal Memoirs by Ulysses S. Grant

Joshua Chamberlain https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joshua_Chamberlain

Were Confederate Generals Traitors? http://walterewilliams.com/were-confederate-generals-traitors/

8 posted on 07/01/2017 11:03:14 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Retain Mike

Nice work. Glad you did that.


9 posted on 07/01/2017 11:16:27 AM PDT by simpson96
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To: Olog-hai
Both Lee and Jackson were deeply religious men who decried slavery.

Stonewall Jackson was one of the early champions of black literacy. He didn't ask the state to do it. He did not ask for a "grant" or "funds" or a federal "po'grum". He did it on his own time with his own dime. He literally gave of himself.


 

10 posted on 07/01/2017 11:21:39 AM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie
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To: Skywise

“I’m sick of this revisionist history crap and it’s high time we start fighting back.”

Many of us are with you brother.


11 posted on 07/01/2017 11:25:43 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Olog-hai
“To honor these men who believed in the ideology of white supremacy and fought to maintain the institution of slavery constitutes a grievous insult to the many thousands of people in Brooklyn who are descendants of the slaves held in bondage,”

I thought people were giving Abraham Lincoln a pass these days. He was a product of his time. Yes, Abraham Lincoln intended to continue slavery, so long as his government remained in charge of it, and yes, Lincoln also believed in "white supremacy."

If they are going to bitch about those two things, they need to recognize that Lincoln is just another one of the people they need to bitch about.

12 posted on 07/01/2017 11:26:21 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Skywise
NO political names?

Liberals want to destroy history? Jealous of ISIS blowing up Buddha statues?

Fine - let's do it.

Re-name all the MLK, Martin Luther King Jr Streets, King Streets - - all the 'Kennedy Streets, buildings, and parks. Let's clean up and clean out ALL political references. We'll even dump the Nixon Streets... if anyone can find one.

Trust me - the effing leftists will lose a lot more than we will.

13 posted on 07/01/2017 11:26:23 AM PDT by GOPJ (Sure communism killed 100 million people but that's just because the US never gave it a chance./s)
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To: Olog-hai

“... Jerrold Nadler, Nydia Velazquez and Hakeem Jeffries...”

Jerrold Nadler?? What branch of the military did that fat phuck serve in?


14 posted on 07/01/2017 11:27:41 AM PDT by beelzepug (Anybody I attack may rest assured it's personal!)
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Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸‏Verified account @JackPosobiec 1h1 hour ago

Historic memorial to black Confederates at Gettysburg today

15 posted on 07/01/2017 11:28:18 AM PDT by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: beelzepug

He’s been in politics his whole life, even before he got his JD from Fordham. So he has never known what work is, never mind military service of any kind.


16 posted on 07/01/2017 11:33:55 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

The American Taliban in full display. The left and Islam are united in many common goals.


17 posted on 07/01/2017 11:37:11 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: GOPJ

“NO political names?”

Fine with me. Let’s not forget FDR, Wilson, LBJ, and any other socialist/commie presidents we’ve had.


18 posted on 07/01/2017 11:37:40 AM PDT by beelzepug (Anybody I attack may rest assured it's personal!)
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To: shanover

Many “Muslim countries” actually govern according to what they call “Islamic socialism”. So the ideological bond is quite strong.


19 posted on 07/01/2017 11:40:18 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

Wait ! Stonewall Jackson was named after Sheila Jackson Lee. Whats the issue ?


20 posted on 07/01/2017 11:59:39 AM PDT by wardamneagle
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