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To: Jack Black
"Traber said he saw the silver sedan, which was in the carpool lane, swerve to the right to enter the fast lane, almost hitting the motorcyclist."

This must happen all the time to motorcyclists. They are hard to see, and they zip around traffic, often in blind spots.

If a motorcyclist cannot handle that kind of traffic, he should drive a car instead.

58 posted on 06/22/2017 8:45:27 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (I told you so)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

"...if a motorcyclist cannot handle that type of traffic..."


If a motorist cannot prevent themselves from being filled with murderous rage over a traffic incident, they should opt for the bus, train, or simply walking.

63 posted on 06/22/2017 9:08:03 PM PDT by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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To: UnwashedPeasant
This must happen all the time to motorcyclists. They are hard to see, and they zip around traffic, often in blind spots.

I have seen motorcyclists on the interstate with traffic going at least 70 MPH, drive on the dashed white line that marks the lanes and squeeze between two cars that were not going fast enough for him when they were already going over the speed limit.

That was probably the stupidest thing I've seen so far, but many other incidents like that happen on a regular basis.

You can count on motorcyclists take ridiculous risks on the road simply because they have a smaller and lighter vehicle. n I am honestly surprised when I see a responsible biker follow the rules of the road and drive like an adult.

Until they stop acting like arrogant *#(*&#$@('s, then people are not going to take seriously all the *Watch out for motorcyclist* signs or care about their whining about other car drivers.

And yes, they are hard to see and for that reason, THEY need to exercise more caution in their maneuvers instead of doing what they feel like and then blaming the other drive for not seeing them.

When you are signaling for a turn or a lane change and starting it, and the biker decides to beat you out, they have no one to blame but themselves for almost getting hit.

80 posted on 06/23/2017 5:35:50 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: UnwashedPeasant
This must happen all the time to motorcyclists. They are hard to see, and they zip around traffic, often in blind spots.Yes, it's hard to stay safe on a motorcycle in traffic. I've been riding for 40 years without ever having an accident with a car, so I suppose I am somewhat qualified to talk about this topic.

It is always best to assume, as a motorcyclist, that cars don't see you, won't see you, or can't see you. The don't see you because they are not looking, the won't see you even if they do look because you are not a car, which is what they are looking for. They can't see you because they are impaired in one or more ways.

Therefore, 100% of the responsibility for avoiding accidents while on a motorcycle lies with the rider.

For instance I honk at cars pulling out of driveways and turning left, even when they appear to be looking at me. The maybe are in the "won't see me" class. Can't take the chance. So I Honk.

Some people seem to hate motorcylists, not many but they are out there. We don't know exactly what happened, but from the witnesses description it does sound like the cyclist was acting appropriately. He was in the fast lane, which is actually separated from the main freeway by a big, bumpy "Do not cross" yellow line. It's pretty clear that if you *are* crossing that line you need to be extra cautious of the cars on the left, which have the right away.

So dummy in the silver car at minimum was not driving well, and cut off the Scooterist, which can be a rage-inducing event when you think "that guy almost killed me". Because of the "Won't see" effect it may have appeared to the Scooterist that the silver car looked right at me, which in normal circumstances one would interpret as "he tried to kill me on purpose".

In fact what happened is that Silver Car's brains's pattern recognition was looking for a large object in the lane and litterally didn't see him even though he looked that way because he didn't "match" the "pattern" that he was looking for.

If a motorcyclist cannot handle that kind of traffic, he should drive a car instead. Yeah. And if you can't handle your emotions you shouldn't drive at all. Scooterist was very wrong to kick at the car. First: it's incredibly dangerous, your foot could get caught in the bumper and ripped off easily. That was bone headed.

Dummy in the Silver Car, acted even worse, attempting homicide in retaliation for someone bumping his car.

Imagine you have first in line at a red light and you have stopped with the nose of your car protruding into the crosswalk. Someone angrily walking across the street slams his hand into your hood -BAM! - denting it.

If your response is to instantly *hit the gas* running the miscreant over and killing him you would be acting exactly like this DSC (Dummy in the Silver Car) does in this video.

If the person you were trying to kill jumped out of the way but your car crossed into the intersection and smashed into a truck flipping it, well it's still your damn fault.

Someone smashing your car does not exhonorate you going into attempted murder and drive like an ass mode, at least it should not.

Because there is a motorcycle involved, and the generally low opinion many have of motorcyclists, I think many people will not see this, and place all the blame on the Scooterist, when, in fact, it is shared with the larger part resting on DSC.

92 posted on 06/23/2017 10:16:52 AM PDT by Jack Black (Dispossession is an obliteration of memory, of place, and of identity)
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