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To: calenel
Wrong yet again (still). Stop it with the extra made-up conditions for being a natural born citizen. Citizen at birth, that's all it means.

While there are numerous aspects to Obama's birth and status that make him undesirable, if he was actually born in HI he is a natural-born citizen per the Founders' chosen definition. If he was born in Kenya, he is not. That's the bottom line. Your made up garbage makes you, and by extension, the rest of us, look like kooks.


The Supreme Court has addressed the subject, and clearly stated that the term 'natural born Citizen', means a person born in a country of parents who are it's citizens.
The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.
The founders heavily relied on Vattel, and his The Law of Nations when forming the Country. It's even ironic, that a few years back, when there was much ballyhoo over the library book that was never returned by George Washington, was a copy of The Law of Nations.

This is what The Law of Nations has to say about the term 'natural born Citizen'
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.


The word 'natural', in 'natural born Citizen', is a reference to natural law and in such context means - someone a Citizen at birth via natural law. Natural law is underlying law that exists without positive (man made) law. So, a natural born Citizen requires no positive law in order to be a Citizen.

So, it's clear that 'natural born Citizen', and 'Citizen at birth', are not equatable, because positive law can be written to grant Citizenship where natural law does not.
110 posted on 05/30/2017 1:43:18 PM PDT by MMaschin (The difference between strategy and tactics!)
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bfl


111 posted on 05/30/2017 1:46:58 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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