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HAS THE IQ OF FREEPERS DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY RECENTLY?
THE AIRLINE DID NOT ‘OVERBOOK’ ON PURPOSE AND THEN SUDDENLY DECIDE THEY WANTED TO GIVE PAID SEATS TO NON-PAYING AIRLINE EMPLOYEES.
WHEN THEY HAVE TO MOVE PILOTS AND CREW THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. OTHERWISE HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS MORE PASSENGERS WOULD BE DELAYED AS PILOT SHORTAGE CASCADES OUTWARDS.
IF A FLIGHT IS CANCELLED OR DELAYED AT A *DIFFERENT* AIRPORT, THEN THE DESTINATION NEEDS NEW PILOTS.
GOOGLE “MUST FLY” - THEY HAVE NO CHOICE IT IS ACTUALLY LAW.
Posting all caps is a sure sign of diminished IQ
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The distance between departure and destination points for that aircraft is roughly 3 to 4 hours driving time. There was no reason to bump any passengers.
Ridiculous. Stop defending United on this! They deserve everything they get!
All caps - really?
You make aspersions to Freepers IQ for not understanding the situation your way. Wrong analysis - please consider actual facts.
The airline in fact did not “overbook.” In the words of United’s own CEO
“On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United’s gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.”
United backed off its own initial excuses about being oversold days ago.
United has choices about how it does its business. Its first priority should be to its paying passengers. If it has a problem, its solution is not to remove passengers from the plane under threat of force. It simply needed to up the amount offered until someone was willing to take the delay. The obstacles to increasing the offer was United procedures and limitations on gate workers authorizations. Their problem. Passengers also have responsibilities they need to attend to - some cannot be delayed. Let the free market decide - passengers paid for their tickets and if United wants them back, they have to buy them back.
Flights are delayed and canceled every single day. United failed to plan and prepare. The onus is on United. They will pay for their incompetence. Pay heavily and dearly. Life isn't all rainbows and roses.
Wrong. They had a choice.
Regards,
Senior citizens are a protected class. Beat them bloody and face enhanced penalties - no different than a child.
I understand about having to transport jumpcrews. I also understand the jumpcrew wasn’t needed until the following day. Which brings up this point:
“United flies 4 nonstops each Sunday from it’s Chicago hub to Louisville, and there was still one flight scheduled a few hours later.”
https://consumerist.com/2017/04/11/united-says-controversial-flight-wasnt-overbooked-airline-crew-just-needed-the-seats-more/
So there’s that. And then there’s this:
‘Chicago’s aviation officers are not part of the regular police force, unlike in many other big cities. They get less training than regular officers...They are allowed in the terminal and baggage area, but my understanding is they may not be allowed on a plane,’ he said. Zalewski also said that he is not sure if the officers have the authority to make arrests or if they are authorized only to write tickets.’
And this, which needs to be verified: According to what I read at the officer.com CASO subforum (pages 1,10,11), POST training for ASO is 12 weeks vs 26 weeks for CPD, no street training, minorities pushed through. CPD has been fighting ASO over the wearing of ‘police’ jackets/stars because of ASO’s abbreviated training (reminds me of the difference between LVN and RN maybe?).
This will boil down to contract law.
We don’t know who the “crew” members were or their jobs.
However pulling a seated passenger off a plane to make room for a crew member is a violation of the contract.
The cops deciding to beat the passenger unconscious, in front of a plane of smart phones, probably means the civil case will not go in United’s favor.
And on a practical level, if the management of United or the contracted airline are so stupid and incompetent to have to beat a man unconscious to get a crew to an airport four hours away, then they should fail and let a better managed airline come in and manage the assets.
There is a reason the airlines need bailouts so often.