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To: DugwayDuke
"Have you read “Men Against Fire”?

Yes - required reading for new Marine officers. S.L.A Marshall describes data based on after action studies and the actions of men in those situations.

We used to refer to three groups - "killers", "Fillers", and "Fodder". Killers are the 10-20% of the troops who actually aim their weapons carefully during the mayhem of a firefight. They are the really effective members of the team and the more of them that you have, the better you'll do.

Fillers fire their weapons during the firefights but it's best to be behind them, since they are really just making noise. Usually new guys and if they survive, they may graduate to Killer.

Fodder's going to die no matter what you do. They smoke at night, stand up on the skyline, open gates, face the wrong way, pick up stuff they shouldn't. Better to be away from them lest they take you with them.

If everyone learns how to shoot effectively and they have a rifle that supports long-distance shooting, then your odds of having the right capability in the right place at the right time improve.

The man you shoot at 500m learns - permanently - not to expose himself while Marines are within that range. The turnover of the enemy in our neck of the woods was such that many more got to learn that lesson.

90 posted on 04/07/2017 2:00:38 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

I read “Men Against Fire” while at the Infantry Officers Basic Course back in 1971.

BTW, speaking of noise, Erwin Rommel issued a General Order when he was CG 7th Panzer that in the event a column encountered an enemy while advancing, every one in the column were to fire their weapons as rapidly as possible even if that meant they could only fire their weapons into the air. He explained that it was his experience that in meeting engagements, the side that made the most noise usually won.

Most think of Rommel as a tank commander but his greatest exploits were as an infantry commander in WW1. His book chronically his exploits “Infantry Attacks” brought him to the attention of Hitler.


93 posted on 04/07/2017 2:08:52 PM PDT by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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To: Chainmail

I read “Men Against Fire” while at the Infantry Officers Basic Course back in 1971.

BTW, speaking of noise, Erwin Rommel issued a General Order when he was CG 7th Panzer that in the event a column encountered an enemy while advancing, every one in the column were to fire their weapons as rapidly as possible even if that meant they could only fire their weapons into the air. He explained that it was his experience that in meeting engagements, the side that made the most noise usually won.

Most think of Rommel as a tank commander but his greatest exploits were as an infantry commander in WW1. His book chronically his exploits “Infantry Attacks” brought him to the attention of Hitler.


94 posted on 04/07/2017 2:09:10 PM PDT by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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