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We Are About To Enter A New World War, Christians Are Going To Suffer(tr)
http://shoebat.com ^ | 01/27/2017 | Theodore shoebat

Posted on 01/27/2017 12:25:40 PM PST by heterosupremacist

full title >>We Are About To Enter A New World War, Christians Are Going To Suffer The Most Horrific Persecution, Humanity Is About To Enter Its Darkest Moment, A Great Cloud Of Evil Will Flood The Earth, And It Will Create An Ocean Of Blood And Death.

“I do insist,” Hitler once said, “on the certainty that sooner or later — once we hold power — Christianity will be overcome and the German church established. Yes, the German church, without a Pope and without the Bible, and Luther, if he could be with us, would give us his blessing.”

In these words, we see the ideological link between Luther’s revolution and Nazi thought. In the uprising of Germany, be it in the First World War or the Second World War, we see Luther at the heart of the ideological aspiration of imperialism, Darwinism, and the desire to exterminate and conquer one’s enemies. If Germany ever rises again as an enemy of humanity, Luther will be at the center its despotic reign of terror.

The biggest barrier between denying and believing that fascism can reemerge and take power in the world, is the idea that it can’t happen again in our own times; it is the assumption that we, because of all of our innovations and nuances, are somehow distinct from those who lived before us.

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To: heterosupremacist

What is the source of fear? The Shoebats are working for the wrong side.


21 posted on 01/27/2017 5:09:10 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: heterosupremacist; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; ...
Shoebat (if his name and story is even real) is a dingbat outside of Islam. She some of his absurd rants refuted here and here . .

As for his latest:

we see the ideological link between Luther’s revolution and Nazi thought. In the uprising of Germany, be it in the First World War or the Second World War, we see Luther at the heart of the ideological aspiration of imperialism, Darwinism, and the desire to exterminate and conquer one’s enemies.

Luther, imperialism? He did not even consider his canon binding, and was hardly some pope. In contrast,

It follows that the Church is essentially an unequal society, that is, a society comprising two categories of per sons, the Pastors and the flock...the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors . - VEHEMENTER NOS, an Encyclical of Pope Pius X promulgated on February 11, 1906.

Epistola Tua: To the shepherds alone was given all power to teach, to judge, to direct; on the faithful was imposed the duty of following their teaching, of submitting with docility to their judgment , and of allowing themselves to be governed, corrected, and guided by them in the way of salvation.

Thus, it is an absolute necessity for the simple faithful to submit in mind and heart to their own pastors, and for the latter to submit with them to the Head and Supreme Pastor.... Similarly, it is to give proof of a submission which is far from sincere to set up some kind of opposition between one Pontiff and another. Those who, faced with two differing directives, reject the present one to hold to the past, are not giving proof of obedience to the authority which has the right and duty to guide them; and in some ways they resemble those who, on receiving a condemnation, would wish to appeal to a future council, or to a Pope who is better informed.

On this point what must be remembered is that in the government of the Church, except for the essential duties imposed on all Pontiffs by their apostolic office, each of them can adopt the attitude which he judges best according to times and circumstances. Of this he alone is the judge. It is true that for this he has not only special lights, but still more the knowledge of the needs and conditions of the whole of Christendom, for which, it is fitting, his apostolic care must provide. - Epistola Tua (1885), Apostolic Letter of Pope Leo XIII; http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage_print.asp?number=403215&language=en >

For it is quite foreign to everyone bearing the name of a Christian to trust his own mental powers with such pride as to agree only with those things which he can examine from their inner nature, and to imagine that the Church, sent by God to teach and guide all nations, is not conversant with present affairs and circumstances; or even that they must obey only in those matters which she has decreed by solemn definition as though her other decisions might be presumed to be false or putting forward insufficient motive for truth and honesty.

Quite to the contrary, a characteristic of all true followers of Christ, lettered or unlettered, is to suffer themselves to be guided and led in all things that touch upon faith or morals by the Holy Church of God through its Supreme Pastor the Roman Pontiff, who is himself guided by Jesus Christ Our Lord. - CASTI CONNUBII, ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI; https://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19301231_casti-connubii.html

Canons of the Ecumenical Fourth Lateran Council, 1215:

Secular authorities, whatever office they may hold, shall be admonished and induced and if necessary compelled by ecclesiastical censure, that as they wish to be esteemed and numbered among the faithful, so for the defense of the faith they ought publicly to take an oath that they will strive in good faith and to the best of their ability to exterminate in the territories subject to their jurisdiction all heretics pointed out by the Church; so that whenever anyone shall have assumed authority, whether spiritual or temporal, let him be bound to confirm this decree by oath.

But if a temporal ruler, after having been requested and admonished by the Church, should neglect to cleanse his territory of this heretical foulness, let him be excommunicated by the metropolitan and the other bishops of the province. If he refuses to make satisfaction within a year, let the matter be made known to the supreme pontiff, that he may declare the ruler’s vassals absolved from their allegiance and may offer the territory to be ruled lay Catholics, who on the extermination of the heretics may possess it without hindrance and preserve it in the purity of faith; the right, however, of the chief ruler is to be respected as long as he offers no obstacle in this matter and permits freedom of action.(http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/lateran4.asp)

Pope "Innocent" IV, Ad extirpanda:

(25) Those convicted of heresy by the aforesaid Diocesan Bishop, surrogate or inquisitors, shall be taken in shackles to the head of state or ruler or his special representative, instantly, or at least within five days, and the latter shall apply the regulations promulgated against such persons.
(26)The head of state or ruler must force [by torture if needed] all the heretics whom he has in custody,{8} provided he does so without killing them or breaking their arms or legs, as actual robbers and murderers of souls and thieves of the sacraments of God and Christian faith, to confess their errors and accuse other heretics whom they know, and specify their motives, and those whom they have seduced, and those who have lodged them and defended them, as thieves and robbers of material goods are made to accuse their accomplices and confess the crimes they have committed.
(30)The head of state or ruler must carefully investigate the sons and grandsons of heretics and those who have lodged them, defended them, and given them aid, and in the future admit them to no public affairs or public office.
(32)The head of state or ruler must, within ten days after the accusation, complete the following tasks: the destruction of the houses, the imposition of the fines, the consigning and dividing-up of the valuables that have been found or seized, all of which have already been described in this decree. He must obtain all fines in coin within three months, and divide them up in the manner to be set forth hereafter, and convict of crime those who cannot pay, and hold them in prison until they can [which would require obtaining help from others, thereby making them subject to the Inquisition].
(34) The head of state or ruler must divide up all the property of the heretics that is seized or discovered by the aforesaid officials, and the fines exacted from these heretics, in the form and manner following: one-third shall go to the government of the state or district. The second as a reward of the industry of the office shall go to the officials who handled this particular case. The third shall be deposited in some secure place to be kept by the aforesaid Diocesan bishop and inquisitors, and spent as they shall think fit to promote the faith and extirpate heretics, this policy prevailing in spite of any statute that has been or shall be enacted against this dividing-up of the heretics' property. — http://www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/01p/1252-05-15,_SS_Innocentius_IV,_Bulla_%27Ad_Extirpanda%27,_EN.pdf

Damasus 1 (366-384) On Sunday, October 1 his partisans seized the Lateran Basilica, and he was there consecrated. He then sought the help of the city prefect (the first occasion of a Pope in enlisting the civil power against his adversaries), and he promptly expelled Ursinus and his followers from Rome. Mob violence continued until October 26, when Damasus's men attacked the Liberian Basilica, where the Ursinians had sought refuge; the pagan historian Ammianus Marcellinus reports that they left 137 dead on the field. Damasus was now secure on his throne; but the bishops of Italy were shocked by the reports they received, and his moral authority was weakened for several years....

Damasus was indefatigable in promoting the Roman primacy...— Kelly, J. N. D. (1989). The Oxford Dictionary of Popes. USA: Oxford University Press. pp. 32 ,34;

The popes were potentates, and began to behave like it. Damasus perfectly embodied this growing grandeur. An urbane career cleric like his predecessor Liberius, at home in the wealthy salons of the city, he was also a ruthless power-broker, and he did not he did not hesitate to mobilize both the city police and [a hired mob of gravediggers with pickaxes] to back up his rule…

Self-consciously, the popes began to model their actions and their style as Christian leaders on the procedures of the Roman state. — Eamon Duffy “Saints and Sinners”, p. 37,38

Also, Popes against the Jews

The Bishop of Rome assumed [circa sixth century] the position of Ponlifex Maximus, priest and temporal ruler in one, and the workings of this so-called spiritual kingdom, with bishops as senators, and priests as leaders of the army, followed on much the same lines as the empire. The analogy was more complete when monasteries were founded and provinces were won and governed by the Church. - Welbore St. Clair Baddeley, Lina Duff Gordon, “Rome and its story” p. 176

22 posted on 01/27/2017 5:57:06 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: heterosupremacist
The view(s) of the author(s) I post do not necessarily reflect MY views. I beg your pardon.

Then you should have added a disclaimer.

23 posted on 01/27/2017 6:01:00 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: heterosupremacist
I don’t think the author meant to discredit Luther, nor do I.

Then you are too ignorant of this unhinged, imbalanced ranting antiProtrestant/evangelical. Sounds like a Muslim.

24 posted on 01/27/2017 6:03:44 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: metmom
In these words, we see the ideological link between Luther’s revolution and Nazi thought.

Stopped reading right there. I wonder what religious views this dude holds?

25 posted on 01/27/2017 6:16:33 PM PST by Mark17 (20 Years USAF ATCer, Retired. 25 years CDCR C/O, Retired)
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To: daniel1212

Re : post #24

“Then you are too ignorant ...”

‘scuse my ignorance, daniell212.

(see tagline) take another Xanax, and then go lie down...


26 posted on 01/27/2017 6:18:13 PM PST by heterosupremacist ((views/opinions of the author posted do Not necessarily reflect the views/opinion(s) of the poster))
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To: daniel1212

The view(s) of the author(s) I post do not necessarily reflect MY views. I beg your pardon.
Then you should have added a disclaimer.

I have added a disclaimer, because I detest posts like yours - see tagline, Danny!


27 posted on 01/27/2017 6:20:28 PM PST by heterosupremacist ((views/opinions of the author posted do Not necessarily reflect the views/opinion(s) of the poster))
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To: heterosupremacist
“I do insist,” Hitler once said, “on the certainty that sooner or later — once we hold power — Christianity will be overcome and the German church established. Yes, the German church, without a Pope and without the Bible, and Luther, if he could be with us, would give us his blessing.”

And as the foremost Luther quote checker states,

...if this quote from Hitler is supported by it's original context, it demonstrates Hitler appears to not have a clue in regard to Luther: "I do insist on the certainty that sooner or later—once we hold power—Christianity will be overcome and the German church, without a Pope and without the Bible, and Luther, if he could be with us, would give us his blessing."

Luther would approve of a German church without a Bible? I don't think so.

More here on this Nazi-Luther issue, but God's grace, while in balance with Luther's anti-Judaism anger, is The Popes Against the Jews

In addition, Hitler was not proChristian or priLuther, though as a politician, he could invoke faith. But he was a pagan:

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941


10th October, 1941, midday


14th October, 1941, midday


19th October, 1941, night


21st October, 1941, midday


13th December, 1941, midnight


14th December, 1941, midday


9th April, 1942, dinner


27th February, 1942, midday

Quotes Establishing Hitler's Non-Atheism


Both of these quotes are from Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, Oxford University Press, 1942, cited in an Internet article by Doug Krueger.
 

Another interesting quote from Hitler is found in a book by Albert Speer, Hitler's Minister of Armaments:
 


28 posted on 01/27/2017 6:25:01 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: heterosupremacist
new tagline : The views/opinions of the author posted do Not necessarily reflect the views/opinion(s) of the poster.

Then what is your purpose and comments on the article?

29 posted on 01/27/2017 6:25:54 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: Mark17
He is a rabid ant-Protestant pro-Catholic ranter. See links 22
30 posted on 01/27/2017 6:28:02 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: heterosupremacist
Re : post #24 “Then you are too ignorant ...” ‘scuse my ignorance, daniell212. (see tagline) take another Xanax, and then go lie down...

Seriously, Shoebat needs the Xanax, while you have to know better than to post such a provocative article without being expected to taking sides. I might be a given that a clearly liberal article was only posted for barf purposes, and which are usually marked as such, but since certain Caths post anti-Luther rants (some of his actual quotes can be bad enough) then posting this is certain provocative, and you offer no explanation as to why you did it.

31 posted on 01/27/2017 6:38:20 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

ARRGGGHHHH! How many times do I have to repeat myself?


32 posted on 01/27/2017 6:44:01 PM PST by heterosupremacist ((views/opinions of the author posted do Not necessarily reflect the views/opinion(s) of the poster))
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To: heterosupremacist
More lunacy from this moonbat:

And what one fill find in this history, is that the roots of Protestantism is gnosticism, or the belief that Christ was not physical, but a phantom. To reject the physical Humanity of Christ, would then lead to the rejection of the Eucharist, icons, holy water, and Confession. In other words, they rejected the tangible.

Which is absurd, for rejecting the Cath Eucharist, icons, holy water, and Confession to priests, which among other things, are not seen in the NT church , is hardly gnosticism, and instead Reformers contended for the incarnation.

However, while within Gnosticism you had the belief that what Christ looked and behaved like, as manifestly being incarnated with a tangible real body of flesh and blood, was not real (Christ being a sort of phantom but looking human), in Catholic Eucharistic theology you have the belief that (in transubstantiation) what Christ looks, feels, tastes and would test as (bread and wine), is not the reality (Christ's corporeal body and blood only looking like bread and wine). And conversely, that the bread and wine is no longer real/existis, but only looks, feels, tastes, etc. like the real thing.

Take about rejecting the tangible! But shoebat will not let me comment on his site.

The rest of his propaganda is so prolix it is more spin than i have energy to go thru.

33 posted on 01/27/2017 6:51:12 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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Re : Post #28

Thou dost protest too much. Your hatred is showing...


34 posted on 01/27/2017 6:51:56 PM PST by heterosupremacist ((views/opinions of the author posted do Not necessarily reflect the views/opinion(s) of the poster))
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To: heterosupremacist

Re : Post #28

Thou dost protest too much. Your hatred is showing...

You provided links to two unrelated sites - provide a Shoebat link to verify your claims?


35 posted on 01/27/2017 6:56:04 PM PST by heterosupremacist ((views/opinions of the author posted do Not necessarily reflect the views/opinion(s) of the poster))
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To: daniel1212
He is a rabid ant-Protestant pro-Catholic ranter. See links 22

I figured as much. 😀 I wonder if the dude thinks Luther causes global warming? 😄

36 posted on 01/27/2017 6:58:00 PM PST by Mark17 (20 Years USAF ATCer, Retired. 25 years CDCR C/O, Retired)
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To: Mark17

?


37 posted on 01/27/2017 7:00:01 PM PST by heterosupremacist (views/opinions of the author posted do Not necessarily reflect the views/opinion(s) of the poster)
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To: Mark17

I don’t.

I know what the author is.


38 posted on 01/27/2017 7:09:51 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: heterosupremacist
Thou dost protest too much. Your hatred is showing...

You mean its OK to post a hateful screed and refuse to confess you agree or disagree with it, but then critize refutation? At least be hot or cold.

You provided links to two unrelated sites - provide a Shoebat link to verify your claims?

What are you talking about? How are the links unrelated to the charges Shoebat makes, and why do i need to link to the article you posted?

39 posted on 01/27/2017 7:12:20 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: heterosupremacist
Thou dost protest too much. Your hatred is showing...

You mean its OK to post a hateful screed and refuse to confess you agree or disagree with it, but then critize refutation? At least be hot or cold.

You provided links to two unrelated sites - provide a Shoebat link to verify your claims?

What are you talking about? How are the links unrelated to the charges Shoebat makes, and why do i need to link to the article you posted?

40 posted on 01/27/2017 7:12:38 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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