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To: GJones2
Does the name “SkyPilot” mean that you are a preacher, piloting people to heaven?

No, Air Force pilot.

I notice that you’ve come up with some rather obscure quotations from the Bible (the Old Testament).

Hold it right there. "Obscure?"

Who in the Sam Hill do you think you are to characterize God's Word that way.

Let me give you another "obscure" verse:

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness."

2 Timothy 3:16

To kill him or beat him up would be acting like savages.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said anything of the kind on this thread. Go read my posts.

And don't try to deflect now and say that "other posters did" or something to that effect. If you have something to say, say it to individual posters here. It is quite easy. It is called the "reply" button.

Moreover, I believe that a Muslim man storming the stage where innocent small children are performing a Christian play, who reaches into a bag and starts shouting "Allahu Akbar!" is an overt, hostile act. Especially in the wake of two Russian diplomats being gunned down the previous day, a maniac driving through a Christmas market in Berlin, the German Minister declaring they are in a "State of War!" from neighboring Germany, an on an on. And I state again, that shouting "My Allah is Greater than Your God!" is used as not only a preparatory scream before and during mass murders by Muslims, they also shout it afterwords. It is a war cry.

I also agree with the poster who said this was most likely a test - to see how lax security really was. Next time, the children could be slaughtered.

And another thing GJones2 - do you have any experience dealing with split second decisions regarding life or death? I am not talking about turning right on red into traffic, I am talking about the decisions that police, military, and others have to make and have had to make.

This scenario was one of those. Since it is Austria, none of the adults in the room were armed. If this had happened in Texas or Arizona, and one of the parents shot this Muslim stormer, I believe they would have been entirely justified.

He overtly threatened those children and everyone in that room. And if you refuse to believe that, that is your prerogative.

69 posted on 12/20/2016 8:24:09 PM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: SkyPilot

> Anyone yelling “Allah is Greater (than your Judeo-Christian God)” is, by both proven action and by hard evidence, a very probably mass murderer.
> And I state again, that shouting “My Allah is Greater than Your God!” is used as not only a preparatory scream before and during mass murders by Muslims, they also shout it afterwords. It is a war cry.

As far as I know, “Allahu Akbar” means “God is great” in Arabic — or “Allah is great” if you don’t wish to translate “Allah” — and I imagine many millions of Muslims say it without killing anyone, and many thousands yell it (maybe hundreds of thousands). Of course, we’re more aware of the instances in which it accompanies a news-making terrorist attack, but in this instance the guy wasn’t about to kill anyone. Merely yelling it shouldn’t be grounds for being shot.


70 posted on 12/20/2016 9:20:27 PM PST by GJones2 (Using posts as outlets for savage impulses)
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To: SkyPilot

> “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.”

Well, what about “Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”? That was said by Jesus himself. [Matthew 5:38]


71 posted on 12/20/2016 9:21:44 PM PST by GJones2 (Using posts as outlets for savage impulses)
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To: SkyPilot

> ...do you have any experience dealing with split second decisions regarding life or death?

I’ve served in the military. I’ve also had to make split-second decisions regarding life or death — very few, thankfully — and I’m still alive. Under the circumstances described, I wouldn’t have shot unless I saw him actually draw a weapon. If I’d previously told him not to move or to raise his hands, and he’d reached into the bag, I might have shot. Still, I think I’d have waited at least until I got a glimpse of what I thought was a weapon. Anyway, that’s not the situation that was described.


72 posted on 12/20/2016 9:22:42 PM PST by GJones2 (Using posts as outlets for savage impulses)
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To: SkyPilot

> ...Air Force pilot.

A respectable and much needed profession. That makes your religious position a bit easier to excuse. :-)


73 posted on 12/20/2016 9:24:30 PM PST by GJones2 (Using posts as outlets for savage impulses)
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To: SkyPilot

> I also agree with the poster who said this was most likely a test - to see how lax security really was.

Few churches have good security. There’s no need to test them (that one will just be more careful now). The same goes for many other events of moderate size. Even the ones that have guards can be attacked simply by shooting the guards first. You need concealed weapons — or very good exterior controls — to be effective against mass shootings.


74 posted on 12/20/2016 9:25:22 PM PST by GJones2 (Using posts as outlets for savage impulses)
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To: SkyPilot
I see that "Allahu akbar" doesn't mean "God [or Allah] is great", as I'd speculated earlier (with the provision, "as far as I know"), but rather "God [or Allah] is greater", or "God [or Allah] is the greatest". According to Wikipedia, that expression is called the "Takbir", and it's commonly used in Islam, and not just restricted to violent contexts. "The phrase is said during each stage of both obligatory prayers (performed five times a day), and supererogatory prayers (performed at will)." So I got the translation wrong -- sorry about that -- but the usage right.
76 posted on 12/20/2016 10:17:53 PM PST by GJones2 (Using posts as outlets for savage impulses)
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To: SkyPilot

Amen to this!


88 posted on 12/23/2016 6:49:44 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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