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Why the Electoral College is the absolute worst, explained
Vox ^ | Nov 10, 2016, 1:25pm EST | Andrew Prokop

Posted on 11/10/2016 1:33:25 PM PST by Eddie01

The counting isn’t finalized yet, but so far Hillary Clinton has won more votes than Donald Trump in Tuesday’s presidential election, and her margin is expected to rise as more votes from California gradually get tallied.

But due to the magic of the Electoral College, Donald Trump will be the next president of the United States.

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(Excerpt) Read more at vox.com ...


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To: Kozak

bingo


41 posted on 11/10/2016 2:27:09 PM PST by Eddie01 (Democrats are the Liquidate America Party)
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To: Eddie01

Better idea...kick out the heavily populated blue counties by national vote..enforce borders..let them grow their own food...make their own power...use their own natural resources,make their own power. Watch.them disintegrate with infighting,then just go in and clean em out. These twits have no idea about reality and what men do to other men. Send them to start a colony in mosul.


42 posted on 11/10/2016 2:27:18 PM PST by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: CommerceComet
I suspect if the results were the same but the party affiliations were reversed, the author wouldn't be the least bit concerned about the "problem" of the electoral college.

My ego is not so fragile that the fact that I can't follow the math invalidates the assertion.

I do understand clearly that party affiliation is in no way related to the theory.

The theory simply validates that the original intent of the Founders leads to the same results as this mathematical "proof."

A fairer way to accomplish the problem of the tyranny of the majority, seen clearly because the Founders were experiencing the Reign of Terror in France, as they were finalizing the Constitution in its final form.

The best analogy I recall from the discussions in the thread is like saying that the winner of the World Series should be the team with the most points scored in the series, rather than games won.

Think about it...

43 posted on 11/10/2016 2:32:01 PM PST by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: Eddie01
I tell my lib associates that Hillary had a huge advantage because states like California and New York get extra electoral votes because of their massive illegal populations. They count illegals in the Census.

Once the new President-Elect deports them, these states will lose many electoral votes, and bring the popular vote total more in line with the electoral vote total.

44 posted on 11/10/2016 2:39:10 PM PST by 10mm
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To: leftcoaster
If the EC was eliminated, they wouldn’t have to. Just manufacture several million fraudulent votes in a state that is corrupt enough to allow it, and those fraudulent votes would offset all the opposing votes of all voters in all of the other states.

Thank you for that most excellent post. That example you stated is not just theory, but painful documented fact further aided me in understanding the math theory.

And there ARE states corrupt enough to the point that it is now expected as fact.

45 posted on 11/10/2016 2:39:29 PM PST by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: KeyLargo

no.

I would have preferred an article to the genius of the electoral college, but we live in a time where knowing your enemy is equally important.


46 posted on 11/10/2016 2:39:47 PM PST by Eddie01 (Democrats are the Liquidate America Party)
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To: Eddie01

When I was a student, it was required that every one pass an examination on the Federal and state constitutions as a condition of graduating from elementary school.

The Electoral College was the product of one of the great compromises that made every state, large and small, important in the presidential election process. Otherwise candidates would campaign in major urban areas and ignore smaller communities.

It is possible for a candidate to win the popular vote and lose the electoral vote because there it is all about winning the most states and not about running up totals in one or two. In five presidential elections, the winner of the popular vote failed to secure a majority in the Electoral College.

As for the lame stream media, please note that Clinton did not secure a majority of the popular vote — she only had a plurality. There were third party candidates too.


47 posted on 11/10/2016 2:41:44 PM PST by PBRCat
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To: Eddie01

The Electoral College limits the damage done by crooked and rigged operations in states like Illinois.


48 posted on 11/10/2016 2:41:52 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: 10mm

49 posted on 11/10/2016 2:42:02 PM PST by exit82 (Making America Great Again begins with........me.)
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To: Bob

One would think so. But back then schools actually TAUGHT History, Civics, etc. Now they can’t even teach cursive writing; the dumbing-down has progressed that far. It’s the faux education in government run schools.


50 posted on 11/10/2016 2:42:17 PM PST by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in theolog and politics.)
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To: knarf
THE GOAL WAS TO SAVE AMERICA, NOT APPEASE COMMUNISTS

Best regards.

It was bound to happen, a post from you that I can totally and unconditionally agree with.

I might have worded it a bit differently, but I will leave it at that.

51 posted on 11/10/2016 2:46:25 PM PST by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: freedom1st

Thank God for the Electoral College.


52 posted on 11/10/2016 2:54:19 PM PST by Eddie01 (Democrats are the Liquidate America Party)
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To: publius911

Thank ye kindly, good sir.


53 posted on 11/10/2016 2:54:56 PM PST by knarf
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To: Eddie01
I would have preferred an article to the genius of the electoral college, but we live in a time where knowing your enemy is equally important.

That original thread IS a tribute to the genius of the creators of the electoral college.

To grasp that, you might have to put down the bong and take a course in Reading Comprehension 101.

54 posted on 11/10/2016 2:55:32 PM PST by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: Eddie01
Maybe Andrew should relearn that the President is the executive of the Federal Government, not the people. The federal government acts in the common interests of the several states, such as national defense and foreign affairs. The day-to-day governing of the people is left to the individual states.

Therefore, it is the states - not the people - who select their Executive via the Electoral College, where the states have a weighted vote for the President.

Andrew needs to take a course on federalism.

-PJ

55 posted on 11/10/2016 2:59:01 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: publius911

Looooooooooooserrrrr


56 posted on 11/10/2016 3:04:21 PM PST by Eddie01 (Democrats are the Liquidate America Party)
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To: chris37

I second that


57 posted on 11/10/2016 3:06:46 PM PST by representativerepublic (...loose lips, sink ships)
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To: Eddie01
I skimmed the article it was the usual ignore the Constitution and lets do it by popular vote garbage. But in the compact voting proposal portion of the article he reveals the reason the Electoral College was put into existence by the Founding Fathers:

So unless a bunch of swing states decide to reduce their own power, or Republican politicians conclude that a system bringing the power of small and rural states in line with that of big urban centers is a good idea, the compact isn’t going to get the support it needs . . .

The whole idea of the Electoral College was to give small states and rural states a say in who the POTUS would be.

You may as well argue why does Rhode Island get 2 Senators but California which is bigger in both population and land mass only get 2 Senators? (Which they do. It's the same reason as above and before the 17th amendment it was to give states a direct say in the Federal Government and protect states rights)

The obvious answer to the anti-American/anti-Constitution people is because the Constitution says so. The reasoning behind the Constitution is not lost on them as the article complains of that very reasoning.

The belief in the Constitution is what makes United States the United States. For 240 years it has kept this country strong, while at the same time kept the Federal Government in check. Is it perfect? No. But if we followed the constitution and amended it as needed (For example term limits, repeal of the 17th amendment, and cap income tax rates or other such adjustment) it will continue to serve it's purpose of keeping the government in check and thereby protecting the right of Individual Liberty as expressed by the Declaration of Independence.

58 posted on 11/10/2016 3:08:41 PM PST by stig
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To: freedom1st
The Founding Fathers were genius in instituting the Electoral College.

So far the above statement is the most accurate of any post I've read, so far.

The absolute genius of the founders is on display every presidential election.

Thank God for the Electoral College

59 posted on 11/10/2016 3:13:57 PM PST by MosesKnows (Love Many, Trust Few, and Always Paddle Your Own Canoe)
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To: Eddie01

Have you seen this being quietly done:

http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

National Popular Vote!!!

I saw it last night and I was shocked.


60 posted on 11/10/2016 3:14:30 PM PST by elephant
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