[Article from 3 March 2015] Heroin seizures along the US-Mexico border rise 320%: INCB

El Universal ^ | Tuesday 3 March 2015 | El Universal

[NoLibZone]

According to the 2014 Report of the International Narcotics Control Board, seizures of methamphetamine at the United States-Mexico border increased from just over 2 tons in 2008 to over 10 tons in 2012.

The International Narcotics Control Board (INCB) said that law enforcement efforts led by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration targeting heroin traffickers had led to an increase of more than 320% in seizures along the United States-Mexico border between 2008 and 2013.

In its 2014 report, the INCB said that "methamphetamine manufacture in Mexico has been increasing, with the United States continuing to be the largest market for the substance. Seizures of methamphetamine at the United States-Mexico border have also increased signficantly, from just over 2 tons in 2008 to over 10 tons in 2012."

[HiTech RedNeck]

You don’t even know your own New Testament or are not confident enough in it to preach it. Period.

[thoughtomator]

> I am Christian and as a Christian I don’t believe that those who work hand in glove with Satan to poison and enslave people should be given a slap on the wrist any more than those who bear false witness as a matter of routine should be believed when they claim they’re Christian.

It doesn’t matter what you believe. You haven’t the right to inflict your beliefs on others with a call to violence.

[canalabamian]

Did some work in Sigapore back in the mid 90s. Three men were charged and convicted of drug smuggling about the time I arrived. Only one of them appealed his sentence. They were all executed by the time I left 30 days later. Speedy trial and punishment.

[Ken H]

History proves that “going Singapore” is the only thing that works to stop heroin and opium.

According to the CDC, heroin killed 10.5K in 2014 but prescription opiates killed 14K.

How do you plan to 'go Singapore' on prescription narcotics?

_____________________________________________________________________

http://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/data/overdose.html

http://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/data/heroin.html

[Rashputin]

LOL, riiiiight.

[Rashputin]

Narcotics are narcotics and people are responsible for their own actions when they prescribe them beyond all reasonable need.

I've had to deal with chronic pain ever since 1974. I fill 1/4 of the prescription for codeine I get every month and limit myself to one so I can get to sleep in spite of my pain and another when I wake up in the morning so I can stand up without my discs being pinched just slamming me back down. The pain doesn't go away, but I can resist the automatic reaction to it.

That's life. People going the Rush route are as guilty of drug abuse as anyone else. Mao had a rehab program, from what I've read a really good one not just BS and party indoctrination or something, for opium and heroin addicts. After they left the program if they were caught again they were shot. Is that too extreme for addicts ? Probably so.

It doesn't matter much what I think and where this started is with my saying that the way Singapore handles it, the death penalty for any adult that sells drugs, is historically the only thing that has ever worked once addiction was widespread.

And your solution is? Include references to what historical success you base your solution on. I'd like to hear it.

Rather than assuming that I want to start shooting people on the street because I made the point that throughout history only one approach has worked to end the plague, maybe people could point out what they think might work other than legalizing everything and ending up where China was when 150 million people eventually died due to opium and heroin addiction after the Brits fought a war to make them allow the sale of opium in China.

[HiTech RedNeck]

That’s exactly your manifest expressed idea of the kind of “victory” that Jesus “leads people unto.”

At best an obsession with extreme last days events and ignoring the works of salvation in the meantime... at worst a complete inversion of the main thrust of Christianity as carried out by the Savior. We already knew we were going to hell. That is not news. We already knew we could speed others on their way to hell because we did not want them around. That is not news. We had to be told that we could be moved to the kingdom of heaven and speed others on their way to and in this kingdom. THAT is news!

I would agree that drug addictions are a very pernicious thing! They are so pernicious that people who aren’t even PARTAKING of it are made to forget what their own faith teaches.

[HiTech RedNeck]

If you restrict yourself to works of Caesar, you get where you are headed.

[Rashputin]

Watch it, you stated a fact but some folks may take that to mean you were eating popcorn and cheering at the executions.

[Rashputin]

Your routine of bearing false witness is clear from your response to my stating a historical fact with no comment one way or another as to whether that was my preferred or proposed solution.

Wherever I'm heading, you've already arrived at bearing false witness as second nature which means, . . . which spirit are you answering to when you claim to be "led by the spirit"

[deadrock]

The only way.

[aces]

of course Hitlery and obozzo need cash

[Ken H]

My solution => Fight the war on drugs within the bounds of the Constitution. Fedgov has constitutional authority to aggressively stop drugs at the border and beyond. It has no constitutional authority to regulate drugs within a state.

I would like to see the states experiment with different policies to see what works. You might see policies ranging from Singaporean to availability by prescriptions to full legalization.

Do agree that this is consistent with the Founders' view of the Constitution, specifically the Commerce Clause and Tenth Amendment?

___________________________________________________________________________

Historical precedent =>There was an epidemic of opiate-addicted Civil War veterans, 400,000 is the figure I've seen, yet it died down as time and drugs took their toll. All without the help of fedgov.

The United States had virtually no drug laws from Colonial times until the early 1900s when Progressives took control, along with their prohibitions.

We never turned into China despite being completely free to do so.

[Rashputin]

So the solution is time and the effects of the drugs ?

Does that entail legalizing drugs in order to be sure those are the only factors at work ?

[Rashputin]

Oh, and thinking back over the post Civil War situation, weren’t most of those addicts getting their drugs from prescriptions doctors legally prescribed ? I remember reading that the cost of morphine and artificial limbs was a major budget item in one Southern state nearly up until the first World War. I don’t recall which State, though.

[Ken H]

I answered your questions straightfordly, but you did not address mine. I repeat =>

"Fight the war on drugs within the bounds of the Constitution. Fedgov has constitutional authority to aggressively stop drugs at the border and beyond. It has no constitutional authority to regulate drugs within a state.

I would like to see the states experiment with different policies to see what works. You might see policies ranging from Singaporean to availability by prescriptions to full legalization.

Do agree that this is consistent with the Founders' view of the Constitution, specifically the Commerce Clause and Tenth Amendment?"

Yes or No?

[Ken H]

‘straightfowardly’

[Rashputin]

Makes sense to me to try it that way as it can't possibly be more expensive that the current approach and I don't see how it would be any less effective. At the borders and interstate is really the problem, though, at least with regard to the really destructive drugs other than Meth which is pretty much home brew and at least as destructive as heroin.

How individual States decide to deal with the problem would probably produce some successful approach that was also acceptable politically although it might not be as acceptable in other States.

Whatever you can get the Federal government less involved in will probably but not neccessicarily become more effective, at least for a while.

As things stand now, I don't see the Federal government fulfilling it's responsibility to control the borders or interstate transport of illegal drugs, people, or goods. Of course, they get any money they need anyway and no one is ever held accountable, so why should they ?

So, yeah, I see how what you're saying is more in keeping with a strict constructionist interpretation of the Constitution my only reservation being whether the right of a State to completely legalize absolutely everything is reasonable unless adjoining States can basically create border posts at State lines.

Which then brings in the Federal responsibility to police Interstate movement of illegal goods. Basically, what recourse does an adjoining State have if one State legalizes Meth, for example ?

So, are checkpoints at State borders acceptable or is there a consensus limit on what can be made legal becomes the question and as long as anything is illegal some people will decry the situation as unconstitutional.

[Ken H]

Which then brings in the Federal responsibility to police Interstate movement of illegal goods. Basically, what recourse does an adjoining State have if one State legalizes Meth, for example ?

Feds have constitutional authority to prohibit traffic of a product from one state to another if the receiving state has outlawed that product. Feds have assisted states in inspection of interstate commerce since the founding.

So, are checkpoints at State borders acceptable or is there a consensus limit on what can be made legal becomes the question and as long as anything is illegal some people will decry the situation as unconstitutional.

Let them decry. The Constitution and early Court cases prove them wrong.

[AzNASCARfan]

LOL unfreaking believable... I was getting ready to glue some carpeting down in my truck not only did I have to find somebody with the key to unlock the cage, but he had to go find somebody to find the clipboard that had the form so I could sign my name followed by address and drivers license number to buy a can of spray glue at home depot... Wanted a phone number too, I told him, don’t have one, it just got shut off, but I can stick my finger and give you a blood sample instead... LOL. Spray paint has been locked up for years, but the glue has a whole separate form now too!