Have you read the Bible, and studied it?
According to God’s Word, a Christian’s faith will be apparent in word and deed. If Donald Trump has accepted Christ as his Savior, that will become apparent in some way.
The question isn’t IF it will, only HOW.
So what Christians, looking on, shouldn’t do is look for things like certain instantaneous changes, and think that if Trump doesn’t meet all of someone’s expectations, then it’s safe to conclude he isn’t a Christian. Everything has to be looked at and considered carefully in the light of God’s Word.
But most certainly the Bible teaches that one’s faith is visible to others, and Daniel1212 is only speaking what’s in the Bible on that.
And you took his words on that out of context, drastically altering their meaning:
“If I can show you a true believer”? — Really? And who are you, that such should be shown to you?”
This is what he actually wrote:
“If you can show me a true believer in Scripture that never wanted to do so then you can make your case...”
A true believer IN SCRIPTURE. That isn’t man’s word and judgments, but GOD’S! And through HIS authority as GOD, HE revealed things about people which were recorded in the Bible. HE recorded the examples of people of faith, and of people who were unbelieving. These were people like John the Baptist and Herod. Do you have any doubt that John had faith and Herod was unbelieving?
It's always a tell if you have to start with an insult. So I'll ask, have YOU read the Bible, and studied it? Because I'm not seeing any evidence of it here.
According to God’s Word, a Christian’s faith will be apparent in word and deed. If Donald Trump has accepted Christ as his Savior, that will become apparent in some way. The question isn’t IF it will, only HOW.
"In some way"? You don't think coming from nowhere, defeating sixteen GOP backed RINOs and all the press and a Rat political machine a quarter century in the making for the Clintons isn't some kind of indication? Based solely - solely, mind you - on backing the principles upon which America is based, which by the way ARE Christian principles? AND directly called Hillary the criminal she actually is, point by point, in public, as NO ONE has EVER been able to do? Or is all of that too subtle for you?
So what Christians, looking on, shouldn’t do is look for things like certain instantaneous changes, and think that if Trump doesn’t meet all of someone’s expectations, then it’s safe to conclude he isn’t a Christian. Everything has to be looked at and considered carefully in the light of God’s Word.
That's not what Daniel1212 said. He said if Trump doesn't pronounce it to his personal satisfaction, it doesn't exist. So don't try to soften what is going on here.
But most certainly the Bible teaches that one’s faith is visible to others, and Daniel1212 is only speaking what’s in the Bible on that.
Like I said, it's "visible" to the entire planet. Only Bible textualists seem to be unable to see it.
And you took his words on that out of context, drastically altering their meaning: “If I can show you a true believer”? — Really? And who are you, that such should be shown to you?” This is what he actually wrote: “If you can show me a true believer in Scripture that never wanted to do so then you can make your case...” A true believer IN SCRIPTURE.
No, he said "if you can show ME a true believer in scripture..." Him. Show HIM. So HE, Daniel1212, will decide whether scriptural authority was met. He set HIMSELF up as the judge of the application of scripture, in this case in the assessment of Trump's soul before Christ. And that's why I pointed out that his arrogance was insufferable - because it is. Daniel1212 has NO AUTHORITY to make such a judgement about another soul - that authority is CHRIST'S ALONE.
That isn’t man’s word and judgments, but GOD’S! And through HIS authority as GOD, HE revealed things about people which were recorded in the Bible. HE recorded the examples of people of faith, and of people who were unbelieving. These were people like John the Baptist and Herod.
I have some news for you - the Bible doesn't SAY anything. The Bible is a book of words. PEOPLE say what THEY THINK the Bible means - including you, and including Daniel1212. And then they HIDE THEIR PERSONAL INTERPRETATIONS BEHIND THE BIBLE. The Catholics and the Protestants have, to all of the most important extents, the SAME Bible. Yet both interpret the SAME words so differently that they declare the other heretics and bound for HELL. Think this is a trivial issue? Even Protestant sects feel that way about each other, over the SAME Bible. If the Bible could SAY anything, then there would not be these gigantic rifts in understanding. But the Bible DOESN'T say anything. People like YOU say that it says things, while setting yourself up as arbiters of God's word without ever having to admit that it is nothing but your personal OPINION. And so I ask you, as you asked me, have you read the Bible, and studied it? Because it seems to me you missed that entire "I know you not" part of Jesus' teachings. You know, what he said towards hypocrites who did "wonders" in His name? That one.
Do you have any doubt that John had faith and Herod was unbelieving?
Do you have any doubt that ONLY the power of God could enable Trump to take on - and defeat - EVERY demonic power trying to destroy America? And do you also think such power comes WITHOUT FAITH?