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.22 vs .223 – Home Defense – Drywall Penetration
thefirearmblog.com ^ | 5/9/2016 | Nathan S.

Posted on 05/09/2016 10:43:00 AM PDT by rktman

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To: Hulka

Just trying to compare a .22 with a .223 shows me you are a rank amateur and probably should not even own a gun.

It’s like—should I buy a Moped or a 1/2 tons Chevy PU? Both will get you to work.

For serious house defense a KSG or a Super Shorty.


101 posted on 05/09/2016 1:24:45 PM PDT by oldasrocks (They should lock all of you up and only let out us properly medicated people.)
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To: Vermont Lt

“For the average non military CQ Combat trained shooter, neither is good for home defense.”

Military CQB is not as good as what civilians and decent police departments get. Never has been. It is just that they have a very different task that they ARE good at. But they operate far removed from the legalities a cop or homeowner will have to know.


102 posted on 05/09/2016 1:26:42 PM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,)
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To: SkyDancer
#6 shot in a 12ga. perfect for apartments. Noisy but won’t penetrate dry wall.

Might I suggest you put up a piece of dry wall and stand off 15 feet and fire it with your #6 shot. Do not put anything that you value behind that piece of drywall.

103 posted on 05/09/2016 1:31:06 PM PDT by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, MUDMAN GEOLOGIST PILOT PHARMACIST LIBERTARIAN, CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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To: tacticalogic

Birdshot is devastating at any household range.


104 posted on 05/09/2016 1:32:18 PM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,)
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To: oldasrocks

Excuse me?

Was that directed at me?


105 posted on 05/09/2016 1:33:57 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I know a cop who shot a perp six times with a .38 at about 6 feet. Every shot hit the target. The 6th shot took him down. He lived.


106 posted on 05/09/2016 1:35:01 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Never held a job in the private sector;never met a payroll,never created a job - CRUZ! Conservative!)
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To: Buffalo Head

I have fired loads of frangibles and they do a fine job of disintegrating on more than metal or stone.

Wood, fibreglass, windshield glass, sometimes drywall.

Your mileage may have varied.


107 posted on 05/09/2016 1:36:57 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: DesertRhino
Birdshot is devastating at any household range.

Everything I've read says at anything much past point-blank range, birdshot makes a very messy but shallow wound, unlikely to stop a determined attacker.

108 posted on 05/09/2016 1:37:22 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: cpdiii
How about I use you as the test intruder and fire at you as you stand five feet away from a wall. Let's see how many pellets penetrate you before whatever comes out your back hits that drywall.

Just as an aside, I've had chats with guys re: guns and stuff over the years here but just to let you know I'm from a military family (home schooled) with some LEO's thrown in here and there. Just about every time we have a BBQ the chatting goes from music to planes and eventually guns ... all sorts of scenarios ... my last birthday the folks bought me a Ruger Mini30 ... added to my Marlin .45 carbine and my M1 .30 carbine. We hunt, we shoot.

109 posted on 05/09/2016 1:37:59 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: DesertRhino

Yes. I agree.

In my neck of the woods home invasions are almost unheard of. If it happens, it is usually drug related (as in, Party A was supposed to give Party B some money for drugs. And they are shorted...home invasion and “bang, bang.”)

I live in an affluent suburb of an armpit. If TSHTF, they might rise up out of the city and come at us. If that is the case, I am pretty sure the “normal rules” don’t apply.

My son in law is a State Trooper. I should ask him to teach me some of their tactics. I know they have a whole “warehouse” set up with pop up targets and what not. It sounded like a lot of fun.


110 posted on 05/09/2016 1:59:31 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ask Bernie supporters two questions: Who is rich. Who decides. In the past, that meant who died.)
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To: Vermont Lt

If you hear someone in your house go out the window and set up an ambush in the front yard for when they leave. Or call the cops which takes the fun out of it.


111 posted on 05/09/2016 2:02:04 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Billthedrill

I built my home from thousands of aircraft “black boxes” and configured them into a wonderful residence. It is everythingproof! ;-)


112 posted on 05/09/2016 2:06:05 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: BuffaloJack

Suppressed sub sonic ammo?


113 posted on 05/09/2016 2:09:22 PM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: rktman

Sorta depends where you live...


114 posted on 05/09/2016 2:50:47 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: rktman

Taurus Judge revolver, Winchester PDX1 ammo ... no fuss, no muss, and no complaints ... ever.

115 posted on 05/09/2016 2:51:37 PM PDT by TheRightGuy (I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
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To: central_va

I used to have a brace of those! My God, how I do miss them. I felt sooo much safer. I knew at MINIMUM they would alert me and keep a bad guy busy long enough for me to steady myself. What a luxury to have.

Lost my last one a year ago next week. 13 1/2 years old he was - very well aged for the breed. *sigh*

I have not felt safe one day since then, no matter what I have at my disposal. Reminds me that I need to go practice A LOT.


116 posted on 05/09/2016 3:21:24 PM PDT by Ladysforest (Racism, misogyny, bigotry, xenophobia and vulgarity - with just a smattering of threats and violence)
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To: central_va

If he’s in my neck of Vermont - we don’t have ‘cops’. The sheriff’s contract support ends at 2300 and the State Police don’t come on duty until 0600. Seven hours is a lot of time.


117 posted on 05/09/2016 3:24:36 PM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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To: Ouderkirk

00 Buck in an over/under.

Only way to go.

And what do you do when the third guy opens up on you?


118 posted on 05/09/2016 3:26:24 PM PDT by Rannug ("all enemies, foreign and : domestic")
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To: wrench

The shooter used “explosive” ammo. All failed except the one that nailed Jim Brady. The exploding bullet exploded when it hit his skull and if NORMAL ammo had been used it would have penetrated his brain and killed him.


119 posted on 05/09/2016 3:26:34 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: GreyHoundSailor

Interesting.

So their slogan can be:

“when seconds count, law enforcement can be hours away”


120 posted on 05/09/2016 3:26:35 PM PDT by nascarnation
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