Posted on 04/10/2016 4:01:46 PM PDT by JayGalt
Today I discovered that the reason I could not find a section of the Nationalization Statues is because the section had been scrubbed. This is not an accident. The section removed had confirmed that the interpretation of the State Department based on the Constitution and relevant case law was that Naturalization did not convey natural born status for Constitutional purposes.
The Foreign Affairs Manual (FAM) and associated Handbooks (FAHs) are a single, comprehensive, and authoritative source for the Department's organization structures, policies, and procedures that govern the operations of the State Department, the Foreign Service and, when applicable, other federal agencies. The FAM (generally policy) and the FAHs (generally procedures) together convey codified information to Department staff and contractors so they can carry out their responsibilities in accordance with statutory, executive and Department mandates.
ACQUISITION OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP BY BIRTH ABROAD TO U.S. CITIZEN PARENT (CT:CON-636; 02-24-2016) is being scrubbed...
The Original Document “7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency.” (Still live at Wikipedia)
Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution requires that a candidate for President of the United States be a “natural-born citizen”.
According to the US Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual: “the fact that someone is a natural born citizen (citizen at birth) pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.”[33]
The Current Document
7 FAM 1131.6-2 Not Citizens by “Naturalization”
(CT:CON-636; 02-24-2016)
Section 201(g) NA and section 301g) INA (8 U.S.C. 1401(g)) (formerly 301(a)(7) INA) both specify that naturalization is “the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth.” Accordingly, U.S. citizens who acquire U.S. citizenship at birth by birth abroad to a U.S. citizen parent(s) are not considered “naturalized” citizens under either act.
In your spare time, after Sponge Box Square Pants is off your TV, and your crayons are put away, read US Code 1401, and following.
It’s something called “The Law.”
P.S.... the Earth is NOT flat.
It may not matter a hill of beans but I’m glad to know we have several copies. I just ask myself who had an interest in blurring the lines of natural born citizen and naturalized citizen because that in essence is what has been done. In the first case an assertion that the Statutes of the Naturalization act are not to be taken as fulfilling the constitutional definition, on the other hand we now have a title and content stating that a Citizen created by these Naturalization Statutes is not to be considered a naturalized citizen.
I think I know what's wrong...
Somewhere in my memory there’s the thought that this section was scrubbed not too many months after I posted it. I don’t recall ever hearing a reason why, so we’re probably talking early 2014 or so.
Well I don’t agree.
This is a manual so that the State Department is consistent in its approach throughout the world and uses up to date policy information. Many freepers report being told by the consulate when they applied for citizenship for their offspring born abroad that they were not eligible to become President. My read is that they were told that because that was what was in the manual.
The Consulate does indeed need to know the statutes to be able to process the citizenship requests of citizens for their offspring born abroad. The original verbiage was there for many years and was based on the legal consensus. It was scrubbed because it was inconvenient for someone.
It is as I have said for a year. Cruz is not eligible... Period.
It would be better if you tried a reading comprehension exercise before commenting. I specifically said it was a manual and posted the purpose statement directly from the State Department.
The Foreign Affairs Manual (FAM) and associated Handbooks (FAHs) are a single, comprehensive, and authoritative source for the Department’s organization structures, policies, and procedures that govern the operations of the State Department, the Foreign Service and, when applicable, other federal agencies. The FAM (generally policy) and the FAHs (generally procedures) together convey codified information to Department staff and contractors so they can carry out their responsibilities in accordance with statutory, executive and Department mandates.
Just look at the breadth of entities blurring the definition. All are part of managing the transition of the US into a post-national global society. History has to be buried, not totally, just enough to maintain sufficient public belief in the "new.". FAM and CRS will be cited as primary authorities, and I would guess 95-99% of the population is none the wiser.
naturalization of an alien does NOT confer constitutional NBC, period.
does not matter one whit what some agency thinks or does with its website now, 200 years on, or how much its toadies may wish to cover up for the current (or any future) illegal occupants of our WH. Still changes nothing.
ps: maybe someone should tell Obama that
(”1984 was supposed to be a warning, not a guide book...”)
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What "approach" is that, and to what "policy" is it relevant? The only relevance of "natural born citizen" is to the question of who can run for President. And that has absolutely nothing to do with the State Department, period. The State Department never, ever has to make a determination of who can run for President.
The Consulate does indeed need to know the statutes to be able to process the citizenship requests of citizens for their offspring born abroad.
That is absolutely true, but only thing they need for that is to know whether or not someone is a "citizen", not whether they are a "natural born citizen". The far more specific question of whether a citizen "at birth" is actually a "natural born citizen" eligible to run for President has absolutely nothing to do with them performing their duties.
Dear “2DV-PLO”:
http://powderedwigsociety.com/eligibility-of-cruz-and-rubio/
VIDEO: THIS is why Cruz and Rubio didn’t attempt to have a court decide their eligibility in the past. They would have been ruled ineligible!
Its not over
Cruz’s ballot eligibility is also being challenged in California, Maryland, Montana, Nebraska, Oregon, South Dakota, and Washington
A man who registered as presidential candidate and thus has standing, is challenging Cruz in a New Jersey court tomorrow over misrepresenting himself to run for the US Senate in 2012 - since Crux did not renounce his Canadian citizenship until 2014 (a citizenship he could not have held in Canada by their law, if he was a US citizen)
Maybe Teduardo can be president of Pennsylvania but the other 56 states will have litigators lined up to go after him and appeal at every level- That’s how the democrats will roll
All going no where, but perhaps it will be of some comfort to you.
I think you are being disingenuous. CBoldt has captured the essence of the situation above. The State Department manual is very extensive to give the Consulate relevant information. The parents may ask the question, can my child become President? The prior Presidential Qualification section defined what the answer from the Consulate should be to this very natural question. Now only crickets remain.
I find it very strange that your focus is that the State Department doesn’t need to know, they have no business knowing. This is a Nation of Laws not of elites; its OK for us peasants to know the Law unless our betters are getting ready to put one over on us.
My early Civics classes have not yet gone down the memory hole and the Constitution, Founder’s correspondence, and early court cases are clear. No judge in Pa has the right to reinterpret the Constitution and simplify it by reducing two different states natural born citizen and citizen to one state because he thinks that is what it really means. Generations of children have been taught that a natural born citizen is born on US soil to two citizen parents. The fact that it would suit the Globalist’s plans for it to be otherwise counts for nothing in my book.
The “not to be considered a naturalized citizen” has been in the FAM since at least 2007. Here is the archived version:
https://web.archive.org/web/20070817162959/http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf
Previously the “not naturalized” section was 7 FAM 1131.6-3 Not Citizens by “Naturalization” but when they removed the part about eligibility to be President, they renumbered it.
“The far more specific question of whether a citizen “at birth” is actually a “natural born citizen” eligible to run for President has absolutely nothing to do with them performing their duties.”
I agree and suspect that with all the concerns being expressed over Senator Cruz, the State Department for the very reason you stated, decided to remove that section from the manual
Ah ha. Thank you.
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