Posted on 03/20/2016 11:46:56 AM PDT by conservativejoy
It may not be defined to your satisfaction, but it is defined. A natural born citizen is one whose claim to citizenship derives naturally from the circumstances of his or her birth so that there is a natural and abiding connection between the child and the society and nation into which he or she is born.
A stupid judge, or a political judge, or a stupid and political judge.
Good point - and if Cruz were not eligible then would not Obama get PA electoral votes? Would this be enough to invalidate his presidency?
To me this is the danger in letting the camel's nose get under the tent....a slippery slope away from being a sovereign country with sovereign citizens.
“And even then, birthers will simply proclaim that the court got it wrong.”
Is it possible for the Court to get anything wrong? What about Obamacare, gay marriage, etc.
A few Freepers who have researched the issue document that the courts have already ruled, and under those rulings, Cruz is not a natural born citizen.
Then you have the ORIGINAL birthers, the writers of the Constitution who were crass enough to include the “NATURAL BORN” concept into the Constitution as as requirement to be president of the United States. Why on earth would they abandon mere “citizen” and go to “natural born citizen”, the only time it is used in the Constitution?
And why were millions of us throughout the nation’s history taught in schools that “natural born” meant descent from citizen parents and born in the USA?
And, most telling, why won’t Cruz release any citizenship documentation, say, for instance, what he used to get his driver’s license.
Do you realize that Cruz and Obama could not even get a teaching job anywhere in the United States because the teaching applicants are required to submit birth certificates and EVERY OTHER documentation record that is possible for any person to have?
“No, it was defined in English common law prior to the adoption of the Constitution. The reading in the law of 1790 was actually an aberrant definition, and one which Madison succeeded in removing a mere five years later.”
You are so full of crap.
Remember these are the courts that held it OK to kill babies as long as their heads were still inside their mother and forced the States to “marry” homosexuals. Just saying.
Conflating “at” with “by” is a source of confusion and all too common.
“at” indicates a point in space or time
“by” indicates a causative agent
A person can be a citizen at birth either by statute or by nature.
Article II does not require “citizen at birth” - it requires “natural born citizen”.
Stupid headline. It was a Rubio supporter who filed that suit
Not a damn thing. These Judges don’t study the issue at all in depth, because it doesn’t matter to them to do so. Do you think they would slog through hundreds of hours of research for this?
“A natural born citizen is one whose claim to citizenship derives naturally from the circumstances of his or her birth so that there is a natural and abiding connection between the child and the society and nation into which he or she is born.”
And, according to the definition contained in the Naturalization Act of 1790, that means a child born of citizen parents.
Also, the same Act specified that citizenship descended from the father only. That concept held sway until 1930.
And since those definitions were locked into the Constitution, any following naturalization act cannot override what is written into the Constitution.
By the way, why does Cruz refuse to release his citizenship documentation, verification?
When he went to get his driver’s license when he turned 16, did he give them his mother’s birth certificate?
“It says they will be treated just like “natural born citizens.”
Yes, as in children whose parents are citizens, i.e. natural born. The reference was to children born overseas of American citizens.
The Naturalization Act of 1790 was repealed five years later. The wording for Natural Born citizen was absent. I wonder why?
ALL Cruz has to do to end this argument is hand over his CBRA.
He's hung his hat on this---that he was born abroad of US citizen mother. That works but the parents must go to the U.S. embassy within two years of the birth and declare the child a citizen via the CBRA form.
So why won't Ted provide this? Yet another similarity between him and Obama: BOTH born in other countries, both foreigners in every way: Ted=Cuban born in Canada.
Obviously there IS no CBRA for Ted. He's a STEALTH, Manchurian Candidate poseur as was Obama, the New World Order candidate (TPP, CFR, TAP, etc. etc. ...His wife is his partner in this Globalist Twofer. For gosh sakes look at her resume!)
This alone should make every Cruzer realize what a sneaky liar Ted is (and stealth candidate, not even an American, but the Washington Insider Political Class Goldman Sachs candidate. Wake up! )
Granted, at this point it PROBABLY doesn't matter except for Cruz's pesky hanging-around despite Trump beating the living crap out of him in EVERY debate and polls. As has been noted, ANY other presidential year, a candidate with Trump's lead would have already been declared the de facto winner. Cruz thinks, correctly, he's still in the running with Mitt and Jeb and maybe Ryan for the Globalist nominee the GOP (Globalist Oligarch Party) will foist on us at the convention.
(I do admit that Beck's "Fulfillment of the Prophecy" stuff is really annoying and THAT is what world leaders should worry about, that such nutcase cultish Jonestown crap is a factor in the race and COULD deliver our next president---not likely, but COULD if the New World Order stands by their man....The Globalists have elevated Ted and Heidi for fifteen years and in return they have done EXACTLY what they have been asked to do with open borders and "free" trade.)
I have long had this unanswered question: Cruz’s father had applied for Canadian citizenship. Did his mother also apply? And, if she did, was she then a Canadian citizen by the time Rafael “Ted” was born?
8 U.S. Code § 1401 deals with the question of “Nationals and citizens of United States at birth”, however does not take up a Constitutional definition of “natural born Citizen”.
It seems we’ll just have to wait until if Cruz is nominated, that the democrats will definitely petition the USSC in the matter.
And just bear in mind, Roberts is their boy.
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