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The Meatgrinder of World War I [Verdun]
Daily Beast ^ | March 19, 2016 | Robert Bateman

Posted on 03/19/2016 9:04:58 AM PDT by C19fan

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Good to see American publications talking about this battle.
1 posted on 03/19/2016 9:04:58 AM PDT by C19fan
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WWI is too often ignored. It was brutal beyond belief. All those who like to ridicule the French as cheese eating surrender monkeys know absolutely nothing about The Great War.


2 posted on 03/19/2016 9:09:57 AM PDT by Pelham (more than election. Revolution)
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I have driven along the Verdun road - lined with helmet markers. The place is haunted.


3 posted on 03/19/2016 9:10:42 AM PDT by Lexington Green (Why isn't Hillary in jail?)
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I’ve been there a few times...it’s hard to fathom that tens of thousands of soldiers..on both sides..were just vaporized into nothing...today, a century after the battle there are still large areas where nothing will grow..not even weeds, because the soil is so toxic from the residual chemicals of the artillery explosives..


4 posted on 03/19/2016 9:11:53 AM PDT by ken5050 (Trump: "I'm no conservative, but I sure can play one on TV")
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvPtkzdbv90


5 posted on 03/19/2016 9:13:07 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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Good article with informed analysis.


6 posted on 03/19/2016 9:13:40 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Pelham

The World Wars were a demographic disaster for Europe.

10’s of millions of the best men slaughtered.

To me it explains much of the world, especially Europe.


7 posted on 03/19/2016 9:15:01 AM PDT by crusher2013 (Liberalism is Aristocracy masquerading as equality)
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Google street view is a fascinating tool. You can literally drive around Verdun or any where else in the world:

https://www.google.com/maps/@49.1269691,5.2963054,3a,75y,121.36h,82.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sl_WfuBMPwRVRTmL9hum5Gg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1


8 posted on 03/19/2016 9:16:13 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I don't want better government; I want much less of it.)
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Every time I went to Europe I made sure to go to Verdun. There is a quality about the place; i.e. of times gone by.

For anybody wanting to know more about the battle see "The Price Of Glory," by Alistair Horne.

9 posted on 03/19/2016 9:17:44 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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The Late, Great Lemmy probably penned the most poignant tribute to the soldiers of that war....

1916
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqFoqtpUFY8


10 posted on 03/19/2016 9:18:17 AM PDT by dfwgator
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Thanks. I just sent this to my brother who is a docent at the true WWI museum and memorial. 10 freeper credits to anyone who can tell me where it is.

Mr. Mercat and I have visited Devil’s Den at Gettysburg and The Bloody Road at Antietam. Both very sad places.


11 posted on 03/19/2016 9:20:11 AM PDT by Mercat ( "Trump says the chaos in Chicago was a planned attack. But Hillary says it was an internet video")
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The two world wars exhausted Europe spiritually and physically, giving rise to Third World attacks against a dying civilization. Note the so called liberation movements became effective after WWII.


12 posted on 03/19/2016 9:20:24 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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“The World Wars were a demographic disaster for Europe.”

That’s for sure. Really it was the end of European Christian civilization. It ushered in the era of Communism and Nazism, followed now by Islamization.


13 posted on 03/19/2016 9:22:37 AM PDT by Pelham (more than election. Revolution)
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I agree; my belief has always been that you can’t understand where we are today unless you appreciate what happened in World War I. On a tactical basis, static, costly battles incredibly bad for troop morale; almost no maneuver except at the very beginning and the end and in the Mideast theater and Churchill’s disastrous Gallipoli campaign; unbelievable disregard for the lives of our best young men. The strategic consequences were horrendous; the rise to power of the murderous Bolsheviks in Russia who would have never been allowed near public toilets much less the government in normal times; the same for Hitler in Germany; the feeling in the US that led to isolationism in WW2 was a direct result of having lost 100,000 men for a European war that made little sense to the average American. I have never been to Fort Douamont in Verdun but I have been to the Somme. Verdun was a direct result of German Gen. Falkenhayn’s belief that the German nation had more young men to lose than the French, thus they could bleed the French nation to death. Same thing for Gen. Haig at the Somme. Horrendous military thinking with expectable horrendous results.


14 posted on 03/19/2016 9:23:19 AM PDT by laconic (M)
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Google says it’s at Kansas City MO

“Mr. Mercat and I have visited Devil’s Den at Gettysburg”

I had ancestors at that end of the battle. Mississippi and Alabama boys. One was buried in the field after Barksdale’s Charge through the Peach Orchard.


15 posted on 03/19/2016 9:29:03 AM PDT by Pelham (more than election. Revolution)
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Thank you for posting this very well written article. Please keep up the good work and post its successors.


16 posted on 03/19/2016 9:37:11 AM PDT by libstripper
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I encourage reading Manchester’s first volume of his three volume biography of Winston Churchill to gain some strategic understanding of the Gallipoli campaign. The slow advance of naval forces made Gallipoli possible—it might well have been avoided. Churchill suffered greatly the blame but was arguing a different strategy than he was saddled with in the end. It is a good study in the difficulties of leading in wartime.


17 posted on 03/19/2016 9:40:21 AM PDT by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: Pelham

Time will tell how much of Western Civilization can be saved.

America has saved the world 3 times in the past century. (WWI, WW2, Cold War).

The next time we might not be able to help as we have so many problems of our own to deal with.


18 posted on 03/19/2016 9:40:32 AM PDT by crusher2013 (Liberalism is Aristocracy masquerading as equality)
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Yes, but I understand the Ruling Classes came out okay for the most part.

/S


19 posted on 03/19/2016 9:46:16 AM PDT by TTFlyer
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Well we ended two hot wars and one cold one. Brought Nazism and Communism to an end. But I don’t think that we saved Western Civilization.


20 posted on 03/19/2016 9:47:57 AM PDT by Pelham (more than election. Revolution)
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