Posted on 03/09/2016 3:47:24 PM PST by navysealdad
Yes, I know but I really don’t know what to do about it.
The Oregon State Polioce themselves describe a roadblock as "deadly force".
A roadblock around a blind curve? Deadly force AND an ambushcade.
Gee, I wonder who has access to stolen 9mm semi-autos? **whistling innocently**
Funny that Finicum was a wheelgun man...
That’s why I did quick research, because after both you and Delta 21 pointed out to me that I was mistaken, I realized I must have made a mistake. I’m not sure why you’re deliberately trying not to understand that I corrected myself at least four times on that issue as soon as I realized that you and Delta 21 were correct about it.
Hard to laugh.
The traffic stop was more like an ambush. Overkill.
Did they believe Finicum was going to go into town and shoot it up?
Why in the hell didn’t they wait for things to de-escalate and arrest Finicum later, rather than prodding him like a bull in an arena?
And one thing not being talked about at all that I’ve noticed anyway; when Lavoy jumped out of the truck there were two shots fired IMMEDIATELY. WTH?!!
Whole thing makes me sick to my stomach. Going to FR and reading anything at all that would seek to defend anything that took place just makes me sick.
Federal officials announced Tuesday that two of the rounds fired, which did not contribute to Finicum’s death but were aimed at the vehicle, were not reported by the FBI. As a result, both the agent who fired the rounds and four other agents who are suspected of helping him cover it up, are under criminal investigation for failing for report the gunshots.
This is an example of why there are no "good cops". There are bad cops, and the ones that cover for them. That totals out to 100%.
Now...why did they lie?
I had heard that when he left for this days negotiations that he left his leather holster, belt and pistol behind. Up until the ‘official report’ I had thought that he was unarmed.
The video is of a planned ambush with a know outcome that was of the choosing of the state. A choice that included a lie and double-cross by at least two of the agencies involved, knowingly led a man into a situation that would all but guarantee enough justification for killing him.
It doesnt jive at all with the ‘official report’ other than obviously guaranteeing that their was justification in shooting this man either in the back or in the head from a snipers nest less than 100yds away..
Then ‘official report’ says he had a 9mm in his inside left jacket pocket. (!!???!)
Then FBI agents under investigation for lieing and conspiring within the agency to lie and coverup things about this shooting.....
This is an un-necessary killing made justified by following the letter of the law and deemed so the the very government that created the monster that did it.
Nope - I’ve now acknowledged at least a half dozen times that he was, in fact, shot at by a nonlethal round prior to the events depicted in that video. Apparently, he wasn’t scared enough of whatever terrible weapon they’d deployed against him that it would prevent him from sticking his head out the window and demanding that they place the laser on his head and shoot him. He asked the officers who they were, and they clearly identified themselves and demanded that he and the other occupants surrender. What happened from that point on, Mr. Finicum bears ultimate responsibility for - and that’s not to say that his driving away gave the officers the right to shoot him. It didn’t (although they had the legal right to shoot to kill in Oregon during the time he was driving toward the roadblock at high speed and was clearly not going to stop). But when he exited his vehicle and became aggressive, yelling “go ahead and shoot me” and “you’re gonna have to shoot me” and then reached for a weapon, at that point, he invited the response that he got.
Being fired at at all, lethal or non-lethal changes the whole story. Whoever did that has complete responsibility for what happened later. The targets have no way of assessing the lethality of what is coming at them.
I’m not apologizing.
That he initiated “suicide by cop” doesn’t negate their desire & plan to accommodate him.
That they planned to kill him doesn’t negate his willful exposure to likely death when he didn’t have to.
Most of what I just listed occurred _before_ anyone shot at him. What he did after being shot at reflects the decisions he made earlier - to wit, he knew they would ambush him, and he would behave in a manner assuring they would kill him.
You were rassling with Delta 21 over the tasing.
Delta 21 posted NOTHING about the first stop shooting before post #106.
So, no - BOTH of us didn't point that out.
That is not legal justification for running from the police and then trying to bypass a roadblock.
Makes you wonder, what was he fighting to protect so badly he would die for it ?
“...Then ‘official report’ says he had a 9mm in his inside left jacket pocket...”
Was Finicum left or right handed?
He had already been shot at when we join the in-truck video in progress.
So, you're wrong.
Your "list" is balderdash.
Makes you wonder, what good was dying that way supposed to do?
Giving police a mundane reason to kill you (presumed armed & dangerous, makes furtive motion whilst at gunpoint) doesn’t help the cause.
I guess I was looking at this and thought that Delta 21 must have said something about it as well. Doesn’t matter - the fact is that you’re accusing me of lying, when I was mistaken about something that I’ve acknowledged multiple times. You can keep being an ass about it all you want. I don’t care.
Cellphone Footage Details LaVoy Finicum Traffic Stop, Shooting
3/9/2016, 9:35:04 PM · 110 of 193
kiryandil to RightFighter; Delta 21
Not only that - the shooters at the first stop were unidentified.
Ryan Bundy & Finicum had to force out of them that they were supposedly "Oregon state police".
In most states, the state police are instantly recognizable.
Were these guys wearing some sort of disguise?
Finicum had a pre-arranged meeting with a LEO...The Sheriff...This had to be known by all LEO’s in this operation...
What was it that they did not want him talking to the Sheriff about?
Balderdash?
Why did he leave the occupied building? seriously, he knew they’d take him down, alive or dead.
Why did he leave without bulletproof vest? seriously, he knew he’d likely be shot at.
Allowing your contention he’d already been shot at, why’d he proceed to do numerous things seemingly intending to prompt others to shoot him?
Seriously: why did he leave the building in the first place? knowing full well he’d run into an ambush? Surely he wasn’t stupid enough to think he could drive several miles for a meeting, hang out there for a while, then drive back - all without police taking the opportunity to at least arrest him, and in high likelihood (expecting trouble) shoot at the first hint of furtive movement.
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