Posted on 03/04/2016 8:31:06 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
Most of the country only has chains... Been that way for years now. Small chains just need an app network to compete. Adapt or die.
Never heard of Round Table. Independent joints rarely are popular outside their own neighborhoods. We have several great places that serve magnificent pies, but no one outside probably 10 miles has ever heard of the joints.
We must have a government program to solve this crisis. Obamapizza. Everyone will be required, by law, to buy pizza whether they want it or not.
Also take-and-bake pizzas like Papa Murphy's.
Try Grilled Pizza!
http://www.thekitchn.com/how-to-grill-pizza-cooking-lessons-from-thekitchn-120920
When I want a fast food pizza, Papa Johns is decent. Problem is you almost need an instruction manual to order on-line, and get a decent couponed deal. I think they need to fire whoever built their ordering system.
The mom & pop pizza places aren’t disappearing where I live. I have a few within ten miles in my small town and the two I frequent are always busy, have high quality product and reasonable prices (which is unusual for Massachusetts).
I have a little pizza oven and would make my own (or buy frozen like Uno and customize them with my own spices/toppings) before going to a national chain.
“It’s not technology, it’s people not caring that the box tastes better than the chain pizza in it. A good independent pizza place runs rings around Dominos et al.”
Yep, seems like people have been getting more used to crappy food over the last 10 years.
What passes for food at cheap chains nowadays is scary (dominos, papas, fridays, chilis). I went very rarely and the quality was worse each time so I stopped completely.
I believe it is mainly due to the decline of home cooking. A huge number of people out there have never tasted a meal made from proper ingredients.
I've had to stop eating pizza out, period. MSG in the sauce sends me in to tachycardia. I've seen the MSG myth stuff. My body is as good as chemical analysis to prove it's there.
Another I miss the food from upstate NY moment.... Lots of family run pizza shops, Italian families. More often than not you could also get a decent submarine sandwich (meatball), or big plate of baked ziti, maybe some gnocchi...
The owner was usually the guy in an apron with flour and sauce stains on it - and he makes sure your pie is hot and delicious.
We do take and bake from Papa Murphy’s. There is one nearby and it take 10-15 minutes for them make the pie.
I will admit that it isn’t the best in the world, but it is fresh, convenient, and affordable.
Guy Fieri is West Coast through and through.
Listen, I’m New York Italian, born and bred. I know what good Italian food is (I doubt you’ve eaten more of it than me). I’ve NEVER had it outside of New York and I’ve eaten Italian everywhere. In fact, if you go to San Francisco, say, and eat at one of those highly rated “Italian” restaurants?... They are not very good generally, imo. I’ve never had really good Italian food at any of the highly rated restaurants in any of the so-called food mecca cities outside of New York. Even Italians can’t get it right if they haven’t had considerable experience at it. Fieri is from that tradition.
On the other hand, I grew up in the Midwest, traveled around there quite a bit, and have lived in California now for more than 45 years. Whenever I’m traveling and go out to eat, I always try to look at the restaurant guides to find the best pizzeria or the best Italian restaurant, and invariably come away disappointed. They just don’t know how to do it out here, sorry.
Tell me the name of this little hole in the wall you like so much, and if I’m ever in the neighborhood, I’ll give ‘em a try. But I expect they’ll be listed in a restaurant guide somewhere if they really are all you say they are. Cheers!
[looking at you like you're from another galaxy]
There is a pizza place every ten feet in metro NY. They seem to have cut their own throats with their willingness to dumb down the recipie and process to make more money or just stay afloat. A few places have tried to maintain standards but most pizza is so bland now that I don’t even bother anymore. If I do buy a pizza I order a type that didn’t exist in 1963 and for which I have no expectations. But most Sicilian and Neopolitan just stink.
I’ve personally done grilled pizza. It was GREAT! The temp was high enough to make a fantastic crust.
“Even Italians can’t get it right if they haven’t had considerable experience at it”
Then it isn’t authentic Italian, it is boutique food.
Authentic Italian can be done by just about anyone.
Thank you sir! As someone who may be the biggest pizza snob / pizza nerd on Free Republic, I heartily concur with your analysis.
LOL!
Not gonna give me that restaurant's name and location?
I don’t succumb to idiotic internet challenges. Sorry. You are so biased into thinking only certain types of NYC joints can possibly be worthy. You claim to have eaten at so many western places and found them to do substandard, which is impossible since there are so many good ones out here. One can only conclude your bias is never going to be broken by any restaurant suggestion.
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