15 New Cars To Avoid (2015)

Forbes ^

[Noumenon]

Wow - I coulda had a V8...

[laplata]

Avoid Forbes click-bait! Please give me a list, not spam and endless click-count.

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Amen. I hate sites like that. Give me the damned list.

[KMG365]

Bugatti is a French car

[SkyPilot]

Lol...so their complaint with the Wrangler is ride comfort, wind noise, etc. In other words, they don’t like the Jeep because it’s a Jeep. If you want world class performance in a sports sedan you’re looking at paying hundreds of thousands of dollars. World class performance in a true production sports car will take you into the millions. But if you want world class performance in an off-road vehicle you can get a Rubicon starting around $40K. The complaints no doubt, come from the soccer mom mall crawlers who buy a Wrangler thinking its another khaki pants SUV, and then complain that it rides like an off-road vehicle originally designed to win wars, which is, at its core, what it is.

Exactly. I read the complaint on the Wrangler, and it was just as you said. Moreover, they cite Consumer Reports in the second sentence as their justification. This is a joke.

Consumer Reports has been literally "At War" with Wrangler owners for years. The reason? The liberal green do-gooders at Comsumer Reports believe the Wrangler allows owners too much freedom that is "unsafe." CR writers heads explode when they see a Wrangler on the street with the roof and doors off.

If Consumer Reports had their way, they would have the Wrangler made illegal. "How dare these people drive these cars?!"

But they cannot make them illegal, so they publish (EVERY YEAR) a screed about how the Wrangler is noisy, does not drive like a mini-van, and has "safety" issues.

Moreover, this is definitely a liberal vs. libertarian issues. A friend of mine wanted to buy a Wrangler. He asked his wife, who said go ahead. She is a school teacher who hangs out with liberal cackling hens every day. She told her fellow teachers, who blew a gasket. She came home that very night, waving a copy of Consumer Reports. She also was spewing rhetoric that the Wrangler was not "environmentally friendly." It goes off road, you know, and "ruins" the pristine environment. And it only gets 19 mph a gallon! It is a Carbon Criminal.

[SkyPilot]

See my last post.

[Disambiguator]

Back in the 60s-early 70s you'd buy a new car with a three year loan and just as you paid the loan off you'd have to do it all over again because the car had fallen apart.

Especially if the badge said "American Motors." Ugly cars that were crappy, too. What's not to like?

[doorgunner69]

VW/Audi also dodged the list.

Which tells me the list is bogus, with a bias.

[Travis T. OJustice]

Thank you for letting me know. Glad you like yours.

There’s a reason I’ve seen a HiLux just about every third world hell hole I’ve managed to go.

[doorgunner69]

Good rant. Almost bought a Wrangler, but needed more towing capability. Ended up with a 7 year old 4Runner 4WD.

Pissing off CR readers is reason enough to buy a Wrangler.

[Travis T. OJustice]

The Taco will last you a lot longer.

I'm thinking. Plus the resale is probably double after 5 years for a lower initial price. They hold resale so well, I'm not even considering buying used. I'm 50 now, the only brand new car I ever bought was my first vehicle when I was in the service, a 1985 Toyota 4wd pickup.

[Travis T. OJustice]

Cute Fiat.

[Fresh Wind]

I'm leaning heavily towards the Taco...

Made in Mexico?

[Fresh Wind]

[kitchen]

I've got no dog in this hunt, but Toyota has had a problem with frames. Maybe this has been addressed.

[Travis T. OJustice]

Not according to Wiki. “The Toyota Tacoma is a pickup truck manufactured in the U.S. by the Japanese automobile manufacturer Toyota since 1995.”

The Edge is not US built. The Taco is. So that’s another reason to lean more heavily toward the Taco.

[redfreedom]

Don’t overlook Subaru. We rented one by accident in 2011, liked it so well we bought a new one in 2012 and a new one in 2014. Quality is quite high for the money, quite reliable.

Only problem I’ve had is with the dealer, they practically insist that they do oil changes and refuse pictures and log books as proof of the owner doing the work. I had to scream my head off to get the service manager to accept pictures of me rotating the tires, it’s like I took off all four tires, took pictures, never bothered to rotate them, and put them on the same hubs again. Total eff’ing lunacy.

But that’s a crappy dealer. The car is very good.

[Travis T. OJustice]

Yep, they had a bad run there for a while. The issue it behind them now.

IIRC, they did a pretty fair job of replacing them or replacing the vehicles at pretty well prorated exchanges.

[KC Burke]

Living in Arizona now, a Jeep is a real consideration. However, I have heard that the engine and transmissions are somewhat high maintenance with gasket and leakage problems that come up every year. What is everyones experience on newer models?

[Travis T. OJustice]

My #4 daughter works at our local Subaru dealer, lol. I have considered them. They’d be #3 on my list. Fair initial price, great quality and great resale. Need something just a touch bigger for all my fishing stuff which stays in my car 8 months out of the year.

Thanks for the advice.

[Fresh Wind]

That was a joke. /facepalm