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Free Republic 2016 Caucus Open Discussion Thread XXVI
Free Republic | 13 February 2016 | Windflier

Posted on 02/13/2016 9:05:36 PM PST by Windflier

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To: Charles Henrickson

At least as important as winning Iowa, according to President Santorum and President Huckabee.


21 posted on 02/13/2016 9:35:23 PM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: Helicondelta

Was this Drudge result at the beginning of debate? He was @60% in the first few minutes


22 posted on 02/13/2016 9:35:38 PM PST by catfish1957 (I display the Confederate Battle Flag with pride in honor of my brave ancestors who fought w/ valor)
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To: Anti-Christ is Hillary
“My directv didn't tape the debate for me. Can someone help me find it on line to stream? PLEASE!!!! Cruz is my man!!!”

Spoiler Alert: Cruz WON! Wish I could tell you where to watch it, but I've no TV/Dish/Cable (intentionally) and watched it live on-line. Good luck.

23 posted on 02/13/2016 9:35:55 PM PST by IAMNO1 (If you play chess, vote Cruz. If you play checkers, vote for Trump. Either way, we win, they lose.)
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To: lonestar67
Trump constantly attacks conservatives.

I haven't seen Trump attack any conservatives. I've seen him go after several establishment goombahs, and some millionaire donor babies who've sucked off the government teat their whole lives.

No conservatives, though. Trump digs real conservatives. Hates phonies with a passion.

24 posted on 02/13/2016 9:39:32 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Windflier

“The result would have been meaningless if Drudge had run the poll asking, “Who won tonight’s debate?”, when the event didn’t include the leading contender for the nomination.”

So an Indy 500 race where the leading points getter doesn’t run, it’s meaningless to even show or report on the subsequent race and who rightfully won, because after all, the leading driver never did contend? Yeah, right.


25 posted on 02/13/2016 9:39:56 PM PST by IAMNO1 (If you play chess, vote Cruz. If you play checkers, vote for Trump. Either way, we win, they lose.)
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To: catfish1957
He was @60% in the first few minutes

That should give you some idea of how the rest of this primary is going to go, and how the general will shake out.

26 posted on 02/13/2016 9:41:02 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Windflier

He attacks Cruz constantly.

Cruz is conservative.

Bush was right. Trump is no Reagan.

There is no extended history of Trump as a conservative.

He woke up this past summer and decided he was a conservative.

That is wonderful. I am glad.

I have no real expectation that he will remain conservative. He will abandon conservative politics. He has no attachment to our cause.

He likes to win— at any cost.


27 posted on 02/13/2016 9:42:45 PM PST by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent / Cruz 2016)
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To: lonestar67
Bush was right. Trump is no Reagan.

And neither are any of the Bushes.

28 posted on 02/13/2016 9:44:08 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Windflier

Uhhhh... The question was who won the debate, and it hadn’t even started


29 posted on 02/13/2016 9:45:38 PM PST by catfish1957 (I display the Confederate Battle Flag with pride in honor of my brave ancestors who fought w/ valor)
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To: IAMNO1
So an Indy 500 race where the leading points getter doesn't run, it's meaningless to even show or report on the subsequent race and who rightfully won, because after all, the leading driver never did contend?

I think the overall value of the information gleaned, would be the same. Sure, you'd know who won that particular race, but would it help to inform you as to the real standings over the season? Not really, because the field was arbitrarily shrunken by the absence of the front runner in that one race.

It would be a fair measure, but the information wouldn't be of much value to one and all.

30 posted on 02/13/2016 9:46:39 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: dfwgator

I am fine with that to a large extent, but far too many reagan romancers do not want to look at Reagan’s failures— like actually doing Amnesty.

But with that in mind, can trump supporters really say that Trump would not betray conservatives with an even greater vengeance.

Would Trump really nominate another Scalia. He already said he would nominate liberal judges.

Reagan PROVED himself as a conservative. Trump has not.


31 posted on 02/13/2016 9:46:46 PM PST by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent / Cruz 2016)
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To: lonestar67
Cruz is conservative.

That's a contention by some which has little factual evidence to back it up.

Cruz hasn't been a Senator long enough to have established a clear and unambiguous track record of consistent conservative votes - which is the only way to measure a legislator's ideological purity.

So far, Cruz has talked a good game, but has failed to live up to the hype on (some) occasions, where he voted the wrong way on important issues.

His votes on TPA and Corker pretty much popped that bubble for me.

32 posted on 02/13/2016 9:52:03 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Windflier
“I haven't seen Trump attack any conservatives. I've seen him go after several establishment goombahs, and some millionaire donor babies who've sucked off the government teat their whole lives.”

And what the hey makes you think he doesn't take from millionaire donors? He does. A billionaires in fact, himself. Why on earth should we believe he is pure as the driven snow, but all the other Billionaires are indeed corrupt. I say ALL Billionaires are corrupt, as nobody can acquire that ridiculous amount of money without inherent corruption in the DNA, and screwing the common man. I know, as I've worked for very rich men. They're bastards with no moral compass, and live to make money at the other guy's expense. They count their success with dollars. Trump is in that class. I'm not complaining, as I believe in free enterprise, I'm just calling a spade a spade and not pretending they're the salt of the earth.

33 posted on 02/13/2016 9:54:01 PM PST by IAMNO1 (If you play chess, vote Cruz. If you play checkers, vote for Trump. Either way, we win, they lose.)
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To: catfish1957
Uhhhh... The question was who won the debate, and it hadn't even started

True. The Drudge poll is essentially a measure of the various candidates' popularity. Trump has topped it every time, which is simply a data point to think with.

34 posted on 02/13/2016 9:54:09 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Windflier

“That’s a contention by some which has little factual evidence to back it up. Cruz hasn’t been a Senator long enough to have established a clear and unambiguous track record of consistent conservative votes - which is the only way to measure a legislator’s ideological purity.”

If I may ask, what the hell are you doing on a (this) conservative site, when you can’t even acknowledge one of the most conservative members of congress ever?

Something smells rotten in Denmark.


35 posted on 02/13/2016 9:59:38 PM PST by IAMNO1 (If you play chess, vote Cruz. If you play checkers, vote for Trump. Either way, we win, they lose.)
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To: IAMNO1
I've worked for very rich men. They're bastards with no moral compass, and live to make money at the other guy's expense.

That's a blanket generalization you're making against a small, but entire class of people. You can believe that's true, as an article of faith, but experience proves that you're probably wrong.

Trump has been a business mogul since at least the 70s. In that time he's done countless deals with other business people, and has employed tens of thousands of working people. Yet it's hard to find a single person among them who has anything bad to say about him.

On the contrary, Trump routinely has gotten high praise from all those who've worked closely with him over the decades.

He isn't evil. Brash and boisterous, perhaps, but not evil. He really does want what's best for this country.

36 posted on 02/13/2016 10:00:29 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Windflier

Trump is losing the Henrickson Poll 100%-0.


37 posted on 02/13/2016 10:01:23 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Social and constitutional conservative)
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To: Windflier

Does Jose Medellin agree with your assessment?

Do the Supreme Court decisions he won agree with your assessment?

Do the voters of Texas agree with your assessment?

I didn’t find Trump’s vote on TPA or Corker very impressive either.

I know I don’t find the long history of explicitly liberal public statements by trump to be compelling.


38 posted on 02/13/2016 10:03:18 PM PST by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent / Cruz 2016)
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To: IAMNO1
...what the hell are you doing on a (this) conservative site, when you can't even acknowledge one of the most conservative members of congress ever?

Did I push a button by pointing out the obvious?

Politicians, their teams, and their supporters, are well known for spilling words by the train load to paint a rosy picture of their guy, but the truth of who any man is, is measured by what he's done.

Now, when Ted was Solicitor General here in Texas, he did a fine job on some signature cases. He argued nine times before the Supreme Court, and won. He established a record in that capacity that gave him just enough credibility to win conservatives over when he ran for the Senate.

It also helped that he was running against a little liked Lt Governor (David Dewhurst) and that he got an 11th hour endorsement from Sarah Palin. He also got my vote in that primary, the run-off, and the general election.

Since going to Washington, he's made some missteps that have put a question mark over his vaunted conservative bona fides - TPA and Corker being the two most egregious examples.

39 posted on 02/13/2016 10:09:20 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Charles Henrickson
Trump is losing the Henrickson Poll 100%-0.

Crap. I guess I had to know that he wouldn't win every poll.

40 posted on 02/13/2016 10:10:20 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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