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To: Campion

some people are making the claim that any kind of citizenship which involves a ‘statute’ means the person is naturalized, but this simply isn’t true- congress was given power to make laws regarding naturalizing aliens, but it was also given the power to define who doesn’t need to be naturalized as well- and based on the laws of common descent/natural law, they determined that because citizenship passes from a sovereign citizen to their child, that one parent sovereign us citizen is enough for this natural law to apply, with some exceptions, mainly having to do with the child establishing a bond with the us citizen parent- this is why we see the exception of 1409 which was a law regarding unwed parents, and where a father had to meet certain requirements in order to basically prove a dna connection and or bond with the child-

While a child is a minor, their allegiance is the same as their parent’s it descends from their parent- when the child comes of age, they can choose their own allegiance (expatriate themselves through a process) if they so choose to or remain a US citizen, but until then their allegiance is that of their us sovereign parent

Some folks make the claim that if a person has to apply for a CRBA in order to travel out of the country, then they can’t be a citizen- and must be naturalized- however that is not what the usicis site says on the matter- they state

[[ D. Application for Certificate of Citizenship (Form N-600)

A person born abroad who acquires U.S. citizenship at birth is not required to file an Application for Certificate of Citizenship (Form N-600). A person who seeks documentation of such status, however, must submit an application to obtain a Certificate of Citizenship from USCIS.]]

It further states that just because someone doesn’t file for CoC, (form N-600) doesn’t mean they aren’t a full citizen, it infact states that they do not have to go through a naturalization process

[[A person ​born abroad ​who ​acquires​ ​U.S. ​citizenship ​at birth ​is not required to file an Application for Certificate of Citizenship (​Form N-600​). A person who seeks documentation of such status, however, must submit an application to obtain a Certificate of Citizenship from USCIS. A person may also apply for a U.S. Passport with the Department of State to serve as evidence of his or her U.S. citizenship​.

A person who is at least 18 years of age may submit the Application for Certificate of Citizenship on his or her own behalf. If the application is for a child who has not reached 18 years of age, the child’s ​U.S.​ citizen ​parent or ​legal guardian must submit the application.]]

https://www.uscis.gov/policymanual/HTML/PolicyManual-Volume12-PartH-Chapter3.html

Notice at the end it states it is only to serve as further evidence of citizenship- there is nothing that states that in order to be a citizen, one must have this form

Also, [[In addition, in 2000, Congress granted automatic citizenship to most minor children of American parents who were adopted from abroad; previously such adopted children needed to be naturalized.]]]]

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/citizen.aspx#2

you’ll note that adopted children do not have to be naturalized any longer- (but still people will try to make the argument that previously they had to be, and now they don’t because of a statute, and anytime there is a statute it means it is a process of law, and not natural- in essence, they don’t accept the law as it stands regarding citizenship)


209 posted on 02/11/2016 3:03:29 PM PST by Bob434
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To: Bob434

Dang crazy character glitch- here’s the same psoted without the squiggly marks

[[ D. Application for Certificate of Citizenship (Form N-600)

A person born abroad who acquires U.S. citizenship at birth is not required to file an Application for Certificate of Citizenship (Form N-600). A person who seeks documentation of such status, however, must submit an application to obtain a Certificate of Citizenship from USCIS.]]

It further states that just because someone doesn’t file for CoC, (form N-600) doesn’t mean they aren’t a full citizen, it infact states that they do not have to go through a naturalization process

[[A person ​born abroad ​who ​acquires​ ​U.S. ​citizenship ​at birth ​is not required to file an Application for Certificate of Citizenship (​Form N-600​). A person who seeks documentation of such status, however, must submit an application to obtain a Certificate of Citizenship from USCIS. A person may also apply for a U.S. Passport with the Department of State to serve as evidence of his or her U.S. citizenship​.

A person who is at least 18 years of age may submit the Application for Certificate of Citizenship on his or her own behalf. If the application is for a child who has not reached 18 years of age, the child’s ​U.S.​ citizen ​parent or ​legal guardian must submit the application.]]

https://www.uscis.gov/policymanual/HTML/PolicyManual-Volume12-PartH-Chapter3.html


210 posted on 02/11/2016 3:07:00 PM PST by Bob434
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