It kinda po's me when people say it should be litigated when anyone with an ounce of integrity should know that it was tried a gadzillion times.
First they lacked standing, then it was the wrong jurisdiction, then it was the wrong defendants, Then the case wasn't ripe, then the candidate became president and so it was moot, the courts said it was a political question, and the congress said it was a question for the courts, as a finishing touch the congressional research dept. came up with i think 3 different lying butt papers on the issue to help congressman explain it to their constituents.
when all else failed the people begged their congressman to not certify the election. that didn't work either. Moral of the story, the people have no recourse what so ever when the elite decide to allow a person ineligible to run for president.
So here is the obvious thing I need to state so that you know what this thing is leading to so there is no misunderstanding:
A person born in this country to 2 non-citizens (like Chinese for example) who grows up in a communist country to the age of 21, then comes to the United States and spends the next 14 years here will be eligible to be president at the age of 35. This will be the ultimate ineligible candidate. And there won't be a thing your grandkids will be able to do about it. Now if someone wants to argue that this is a natural born citizen, you get what you deserve.
Little by little they have been warping the definition of NBC to meet their desires. And yes, a definition absolutely can be inferred by contemporaneous documents. Intellectual dishonesty is the worst kind, if thats possible.
I was convinced of the ineligibility of Obama from the get-go. I'm convinced of the ineligibility of Cruz today.
What I am not convinced of is that the Republicans will be able to get away with this simply because the Democrats did. That hasn't worked in many cases where the Republican gets punished and the Democrat doesn't.
The reality is that Republicans have to conduct themselves in ways that the Democrats don't. It isn't fair.
But the alternative of behaving like Democrats in order to win won't have the results that some people want. It will simply turn us into Democrats.
Now I get it. This is a vanity thread.
There is no need to wait for our grandkids.
Almost anyone born in the US is a natural born citizen of the US, under current law. That is the case for Marco Rubio, for example, neither of whose parents were US citizens when he was born. Almost nobody disputes that he is a natural born citizen. If you don't like it, change the law.
Constitutional Meaning Sourcery 1/31/12 has your Answer ( sorry no cut and paste here)
Thank you.
NBC was never, ever a certain protection against bad or dishonest or unpatriotic people running for the Presidency. Consider Hillary Clinton...
But it does have a pretty clear legal meaning, based on original intent.
Very well said.
There have been issues or questions with McCain, Romney, Obama, Cruz, and Rubio. I think it just shows that with the massive immigration we’ve had in the last 50 years, it is becoming harder to find a candidate who was born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizens. This issue is going to keep coming up, and will get worse.
Lord have mercy! I’m shocked that this is an issue!
Frankly, as one who cast her first ballot for Nixon, got out of a sick bed to vote for Reagan the first time, and was one of the proud few who wasn’t a dem in my NC district to be a republican to vote for him the second time around, I’m astounded that ANYONE would have issues with Cruz, and not with Trump!
They ARE the very BEST in this election! So, stop the infighting, and pray those are the two on the ballot!
Maybe our constitution should be amended to take any doubt out of the presidential eligibility issue.
Oh indeed
It isn’t complicated. Yes, that person would be considered natural born. However, that person would have a tough job convincing voters he or she was American enough in culture.
Laws are laws, words mean things, and whenever a line is drawn there will be individual examples that we don’t like. That hit the letter of the law but forget the spirit. One would hope that there would be a free press to call on such a candidate’s loyalty to America. Such a person is allowed to RUN for the presidency but is not guaranteed the job.
No one checked with actual real documentation to see if Obama even met the letter of this law. He never met the spirit of being American. And there is zero legit proof he met the legal eligibility, especially when the fact that he used other people’s social security numbers his whole life proves there is something wrong with his citizenship.
Really, being natural born means, when you were born, were you an American? Period.
Now for a short public service announcement to all on FR:
We need to ensure we don't get another Obama-like America Hater as the next President.
The best way to ensure that is to actively support a candidate as the next President.
I donate to the candidate I support and you should too, else, your "support" really doesn't have any meaning.
It's even worse if you use FR and don't donate. If you are one of those who feel it's OK to use FR daily w/o helping pay to keep the lights on, then please don't complain about the welfare leeches because, functionally, you are no different than any other who enjoys the fruits of others' work for your own benefit. Also, don't be surprised if others decide that your opinions are as worthless as your non-donations - hypocrites aren't worth listening to.
PS - If you are one of those who cannot afford even a small donation to FR or a candidate, God Bless and happy FReeping!.....
Your premis is wrong. The law is actually pretty settled. Your straw man argument does not hold up.
Stop being angry and find something else to be pissed off about.
Well said and I completely agree that this is where it’s all headed, they want to dissolve the United States of America ultimately. The border. Immigration controls. The language. Judeo-Christian values. And ultimately capturing the symbolic essence and capstone of the American system of government, the Presidency. Hold the line, folks, only at the ballot box, the SCOTUS will not do it!