So you see both the cases regarding Obama and Cruz equivalently? If so, why?
In another thread, another Freeper and I were having a good back and forth on some subject but we just kept going round and round. Finally, I asked him what I thought was a basic question and his response was something that I hadn't even considered, that his interpretation of what I thought was a basic part of the evidence was so completely different than the way that I was visualizing it that it gave me a "whoa" moment.
I'm not saying that he necessarily convinced me of his position, but at least I was able to see what his thought process was and could, at least, see the seriousness of his argument.