Posted on 01/02/2016 9:59:00 PM PST by magglepuss
Is Steven Avery guilty?
It gets stranger and stranger. Thank you for the link.
Avery may have been involved in the disappearance of Teresa Hallbach, but the documentary raised too many questions to understand how he was found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt for her murder.
And I think most people are more alarmed about how the nephew was dragged by police into the story in order to increase their chance of a conviction for Avery. It was pretty apparent that what was done to the nephew was an obvious miscarriage of justice.
For example, the first episode briefly discusses an incident where 20-year-old Avery pleaded guilty to harming an animal. In the series, Avery is heard saying, "We were fooling around with the cat and I don't know, they were kind of negging it on and I tossed him over the fire and he lit up. I was young and stupid." In reality, Avery and another man pleaded no contest to pouring gasoline and oil on Avery's cat and throwing it into a fire.
I lived near Green Bay when this all happened and the case was in the local news every day.
I’m not going to defend what SA did regarding the no contest plea. It’s beyond defensible.
However, this no contest plea does not in any way justify an 18 year incarceration for a rape he didn’t commit and the apparent miscarriage of justice in the murder trial.
As to the murder trial, I've pointed out where the information you've been given in the "documentary" is biased, so perhaps a better approach would be for you to not assume it was a miscarriage of justice, but perhaps a biased presentation of the case that is designed to make you think so.
I acknowledged that the documentary is biased.
Everything you read is biased one way or the other.
My concern is that every American citizen should be given a fair trial. In this case, the evidence presented was *probably* planted (key/blood/car).
Avery should not be pardoned, but he should receive a new trial.
And Dassey should receive a new trial no matter what, considering what happened to him (a special needs minor who was railroaded by the prosecution).
Discussing this case on kfi 640 right now.
The two specific offers who were told to stay away were the only ones who found the specific evidence.
The bullet found months later in the garage, by the sheriffs, who had the gun in custody all those months.
Officers
Steven lifetime of abuse of women, the cat story. No angel. But completely exonerated on first rape case.
Certain point of view from the documentary to be sure, but you can access Stevens credibility from seeing hours of Steven himself. What you see is what you get.
Former prosecutor was the interview, she believes Brendan should get a new trial with his forced confession thrown out.
Rush even brought the case up yesterday on his radio show. He said he had watched the documentary but wouldn’t talk about it because it would give away all the spoilers for anyone who hadn’t seen it yet.
Rush compared obama’s executive gun control action to the Avery trial. He said that the regime basically thinks all of the bitter clingers are like the Averys.. unintelligent hicks who deserve the full force of the government’s power to stop them.
I have so many questions about this case after watching the whole documentary...and I agree that the biggest issue is that every American should be given a “fair” trial and that clearly didn’t happen in this case, which taints the system for everyone!
-Time frame issues jump out all over the place - the brother-in-law and the other nephew (Bobby) who basically gave each other alibis but said Theresa’s car was gone by 2:45 are completely contradicted by the school bus driver who said she saw a woman taking pictures when she dropped off kids around 3:30-3:40. Was Brenden on that bus? Didn’t anyone on his defense team think to ask what time he got out of school?
- Is it possible that someone else in the family (Bobby?) was involved and told Brenden some of the stuff he recounted but told him to say Steven did it? He is so incredibly confused and easily led that nothing he says should have been admissible.
- What about the deleted voice mails from Theresa’s phone? Her brother was very bizarre - even in the very first press conference about her disappearance he seemed to act as if he knew she was dead. What about the roommate and the ex-boyfriend? Sounds like no one even interviewed them...and the cousin who found the Rav4 was not believable at all. Wish the defense attorneys would have pushed her harder on why she went to that specific area, especially in light of the time sheet showing Lenk was on scene hours before he admitted it.
- The phone call to the dispatcher regarding the license plate before the car was ever found was another really odd thing. I would have expected a lot more questions regarding that whole conversation.
- Finally, the jury count was puzzling. How did it go from seven people leaning not guilty to a unanimous conviction? Were the other jurors, besides the one who was excused, ever interviewed?
I hate to think that police and prosecutors could do the things that this case implies but it does happen(read “It’s Not About the Truth” about the Duke Lacrosse rape case)...if they thought Steven was guilty, or if they were just worried about the pending lawsuit, they might have felt justified in doing whatever it took to ensure a conviction.
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