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If the Christian and muslim God are the same, muslims should appreciate this (vanity)
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Posted on 12/19/2015 3:36:17 PM PST by LibWhacker

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To: jjotto
Excuse me but where do you get "Jewish teaching is that Ishmael (Islam) repented before his death, while Esau (Christianity) died without repenting" from in the KJV of the bible? I could believe Ishmael needing repentance but not Esau since he did nothing wrong. That is unless you think g-d can make mistakes.
21 posted on 12/19/2015 6:23:01 PM PST by egfowler3 (Vacancy)
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To: dadfly
I believe what the Catholic Catechism teaches--

It's best undersood in context, to shen you click the link, click ceelow the boxed quote, where it says "Enter the Catechism at this paragraph."

22 posted on 12/19/2015 6:35:48 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (He was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. - John 1:9)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

well, in the venacular: if that high minded writing says anything to me, then i think i’m not to far off from what it says :). thanks for the response, Merry Christmas and may God bless you.


23 posted on 12/19/2015 6:52:18 PM PST by dadfly
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Q: What makes one religion different from another?
A: Different god(s).

What makes Judaism & Christianity different? Different god(s).

Judaism is *mono*theistic and takes “no other gods before Me” very seriously.


24 posted on 12/19/2015 7:14:22 PM PST by Mr. M.J.B.
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To: Mrs. Don-o
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."Excuse me but as I recall the Muslim religion does notbelieve their Allah is the same as our Heavenly Father. In their eyes Allah is greater!
25 posted on 12/19/2015 7:18:03 PM PST by egfowler3 (Vacancy)
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To: egfowler3
You'll get a variety of opinions on that from Muslims. I have met Muslims who understand that all who worshio the One Creator, worship the One God. (There is only one God. We all know this.)

Other Muslims reject that idea contemptuously, and say that Allah is not the same as the One the Judeo-Christian people call God.

Of course, some Jews reject that as well, and consider Christianity polytheistic.

26 posted on 12/19/2015 7:27:17 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("I am a deeply superficial person." - Andy Warhol)
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To: Mr. M.J.B.
I have never met a Chrstian who thought that there was more than one God.
27 posted on 12/19/2015 7:29:31 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: dadfly
Merry Christmas to you, too!

May God greatly bless you and all your dear ones.

28 posted on 12/19/2015 7:30:50 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to act justly, love tenderly, and walk humbly with your God.)
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To: Candor7
Allah is simply the word "God" in Arabic. And also, incidenally, in the Malay language.) Arabic-speaking Chrisians used the term "Allah" for the God of the Old and New Testaments ("Allah the Father, the Son, and the Holy SPirit.")

Arabic-speaking Coptic, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Maronite, evangelical, and Reformed Christians worship Allah, which is simply the word or term for God in another language. Islam does not hold a copyright to the term. In fact, Arab Christians existed before Islam appeared on the scene. Christians have more hisoric right to use the term "Allah" than Muslims do, since Christians were using the term ~500 years before Muhammad was even born.

Christians who worship Allah (I am speaking of Arabic and Malay-speakin Chrisrians) number in the millions, and their Biblical version of Allah differs HUGELY from the Qur’anic version. To demean or demonize the word for God in another language does a great disservice to believers who speak that language.

29 posted on 12/19/2015 7:42:23 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to act justly, love tenderly, and walk humbly with your God.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
If what you are quoting is true then why even have the crusades during the middle ages? As for me I will put my trust in the many vastly more knowledgeable folk I can consult on the www regardingthe the islamic faith and who their "allah" is for instance at http://wikiislam.net/wiki, the home of WikiIslam, the online resource on Islam- if you go to Pagan Origins of Islam and one of the external links will take you to "The Pagan Religious Sources of Islam" by Silas for a more in depth discussion of the history of the pagan god "Allah" who has no other relationship to the God of Abraham, Jacob, Esau, the Jews, and Christians worldwide than what islamics claim he has so as to gain converts.
30 posted on 12/20/2015 1:13:42 AM PST by egfowler3 (Vacancy)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

To demean or demonize the word for God in another language does a great disservice to believers who speak that language. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I do not mean to disserve anyone.

I simply wrote about the cultural evolution of the gods and their connection to previous cultures.So I do not share in your political correctness in the matter and would rather exercise my freedom of speech.The present Allah of Islam is a composite of previously pagan gods,whichi is why Allah is quite “shifty” and their old pagan totalitarian laws are brought to bear through Sharia, which is poison to the Constitution of the United States.

Thank you for your misplaced concern, but really, you needn’t bother.


31 posted on 12/20/2015 3:31:36 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: rovenstinez

their HATRED seems MUCH more directed towards JEWS rather than Christians.>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Here it is , somewhat over simplified:

1) Jehova is the God of the Jews.

2) Jehova destroyed the ancient gods such as Nannar/Sin ( she is memorialized in the Muslim crescent moon)and Baal.

3) Mohammed the prophet combined all of these ancient gods
into a composite god called Allah, during Mohammedan conquests of the Levant and Mesopotamia.

4) The law of Sharia was derived from an amalgamation of the ancient religious codes of those resurrected god traditions.

5) Historically, Jehovah and the Jews did not submit to Allah, and kept their connections to Jehovah, and so they are unconquered, reviled and hated by Muslims as the quintessential non believers.

6) Allah and Jehova are NOT the same, they are very much different devine personages.

Christianity is an off shoot from the Jewish religion , and the Messiah of Christianity is unrecognized by the Jews. Christ , the son of Jehovah is not Jehovah, and is a seperate devine principle altogether, a different personality, yet born of Jehovah’s divine intervention in human affairs.Neither have anything to do with Allah of Islam, who is really Baal , Nannar/Sin in disguise.


32 posted on 12/20/2015 3:41:58 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: egfowler3

Conventional traditional Jewish teaching is that Ishmael repented of the evil in his life and permanently changed, while Esau repented for a time but returned to his evil ways.

Traditional accepted Christian understanding is that Esau needed repentance and struggled with it.

There are innumerable Jewish explanations of this:

http://www.torah.org/learning/ravfrand/5770/vayishlach.html

...Eisav did Teshuva but then apparently went back to his old ways. His Teshuva did not last. This is contrasted with Yishmael, who repented and the Teshuva did last until the end of his life...

https://www.meaningfullife.com/social/toldot-the-plot-thickens-jacob-esau-two-nations/


33 posted on 12/20/2015 4:23:27 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Candor7
Thank you for this good clarificaton.

The main poison in Islam is -- in my opinion--- their vile "prophet," who was a bloody-handed warlord, caravan-raider, slave-trader, religious charlatan and pedophile. To the extent that Muslims take him as a role-model, the consequences--- which are catastrophic --- can be predicted exactly.

34 posted on 12/20/2015 7:16:39 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to act justly, love tenderly, and walk humbly with your God.)
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To: egfowler3
"If what you are quoting is true..."

... and it is...

" then why even have the crusades during the middle ages?

That answer is easy. The Crusades were defensive warfare for the purpose of re-taking lands of the Byzantine Middle East which had been invaded and occupied by the Islamic aggressors, securing Christian places of pilgrimage, and lifting the Islamic yoke from the shoulders of the indigenous Christian people.

The Crusades were, I say again, defensive --- comparable to the landing of the Allies at Normandy during WWII.

The real problem here was not the Arabic word "Allah" , which indeed had pagan origins as did every word for God in every language.

Names with 'el' as one of their components were common in the Near East in the second millennium BC. Linguistic cognates include ancient Semitic El, biblical Hebrew Elohim (God or/of gods), Arabic 'ilah ("a" god), Arabic Allah ("the" God) and biblical Aramaic Elah (God).

In the Mosaic period, 'el was synonymous with the Lord who delivered the Israelites from bondage in Egypt.

Pagan words for God were ALWAYS adopted by Christians when these pagan areas were evangelized.

Terms first used by pagans:

I don't dispute at all that Islam had pagan origins. Muhammad was an intentional religious charlatan, a delusional paranoid schizophrenic and/or a demon-infested soul who picked up random 'religious' concepts like Velcro picks up lint. However his adoption/borrowing of the word "Allah" (long used by both neighboring Arabic-speaking pagans and Arabic-speaking Christians) is not the problem.

The Koran is the problem. And, more than anything, Muhammad himself--- a wicked, bloody-handed, slavemonger, lecherous, war lord/false prophet --- is the problem.

35 posted on 12/20/2015 8:08:24 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to act justly, love tenderly, and walk humbly with your God.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I agree, great post. BTW, one can learn a lot about the way Islamists behave by reading what we know about the ancient religions of Baal and Nannar/sin.In knowing more about that, we can see many more ways to defeat Islam.


36 posted on 12/20/2015 4:25:31 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

If you read this, you will be glad you did!:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm


37 posted on 12/20/2015 4:29:59 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: LibWhacker

A nativity scene made from meat of an unclean animal. I am a Christian and I don’t find this funny at all.


38 posted on 12/20/2015 7:57:21 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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