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A Fight for the Soul of Science (physicists, philosophers debate boundaries of science)
Quanta Magazine ^ | 12/16/15 | Natalie Wolchover

Posted on 12/17/2015 10:01:58 PM PST by LibWhacker

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1 posted on 12/17/2015 10:01:58 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

I have had this type of discussion with science guys that fail to realize that science is based upon philosophy


2 posted on 12/17/2015 10:12:15 PM PST by Fai Mao (I've been wrong before)
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To: LibWhacker

Physics and mathematics are truly beautiful constructs, even of God. Yet nothing should be trusted which hasn’t been experimentally tested, even as those ends are so seductive.


3 posted on 12/17/2015 10:14:32 PM PST by onedoug
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To: LibWhacker

If it’s not falsifiable is isn’t science, metaphysics perhaps or speculation. Not that there’s anything wrong with that but don’t bet the store.


4 posted on 12/17/2015 10:24:02 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: LibWhacker

Thanks for this post. Quanta has interesting articles.

I do agree with Feynman. And I think Popper is right in that these theories are testable, just not necessarily yet technically.

And this:

“String theory explains the entropy of black holes, for example, and, in a surprising discovery that has caused a surge of research in the past 15 years, is mathematically translatable into a theory of particles, such as the theory describing the nuclei of atoms.”

Seems pretty close to being empirical if it’s not there yet.


5 posted on 12/17/2015 10:38:34 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: LibWhacker
In the end it is ones consciousness that perceives reality.

Princeton's 25 year long P.E.A.R. project attempted to test ideas about what consciousness is and how it functions in defining reality.

Most hard science guys class PEAR’s work as pseudoscience. non the less much of the work they did points to why there are problems getting classic science to align with new discoveries and philosophy
IMHO

6 posted on 12/17/2015 11:15:49 PM PST by jcon40
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To: Fai Mao

The philosophical field of Epistemology. The study of how we know what we know.

The scientific method is basically about measurement. But science is built upon assumptions that themselves can’t be measured.


7 posted on 12/17/2015 11:20:14 PM PST by Pelham (Muslim immigration...the enemy is inside the wire.)
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To: LibWhacker

In discussions on the third afternoon of the workshop there was a special conference, the upshot of which all present voiced their support for man-made climate change ...


8 posted on 12/18/2015 3:03:40 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: LibWhacker

Any facts, data or evidence which runs contrary to the dogmas and politically calculated computer models of the scientific community is heresy.


9 posted on 12/18/2015 3:54:12 AM PST by Sirius Lee (Cruz or Lose 2016)
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To: LibWhacker

Will read this later.


10 posted on 12/18/2015 4:20:53 AM PST by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: LibWhacker

If the universe is the answer, what is the question?


11 posted on 12/18/2015 4:28:07 AM PST by Daffynition (*Gun control is a tool to make innocents pay the price for the guilty* W.LaPierre)
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To: jcon40

Consciousness does not just perceive reality, it changes reality as ALL is consciousness. Religion is closer to fact on this issue than science.

The variability of consciousness and its many levels with changing attributes at each level is the factor missed by scientists.

For example, time is not a function of the speed of light. It’s a function of the frequency of consciousness divided by the speed of light. As consciousness frequency increases, time collapses. For a soul that is cleansed of all of the wounds that act as anchors or ballast, consciousness can surpass the speed of light and provide one with the gift of prophesy.


12 posted on 12/18/2015 4:28:35 AM PST by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: LibWhacker

The deeper I go in meditation and observe consciousness as physical the more I realize that the anatomy and physiology of the human soul are very similar to atomic physics. Orbitals, intrinsic energy based upon level, spin patterns, ..... even attraction between individuals works very similar to a covalent bond while spiritual growth functions similar to an ionic bond.


13 posted on 12/18/2015 4:37:10 AM PST by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: LibWhacker
Romanesque-style

Well, so much for anything that writer has to say.

14 posted on 12/18/2015 4:39:44 AM PST by Moltke
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To: Sirius Lee
Any facts, data or evidence which runs contrary to the dogmas and politically calculated computer models of the scientific community is heresy.

While I would have hesitated to call Newtonian Physics, 'political', Einstein's Relativity modification to them was heretical at the beginning! Of course, then AFTER Relativity and Einstein's reputation was established, he had real problems with the new heresy of 'Quantum Theory' & 'Quantum Mechanics'!

In another scientific field, in my own lifetime, Alfred Wegner's heretical 1912 theory of "Continental Drift" has gone from an explanation of too-coincidental shapes to the now established "Plate Tectonics"! In the process numerous textbooks have been trashed and science department names renamed, Geology to Earth Sciences!

My comment here is this, we have an elite of government and orthodox science that have proclaimed, on the primary basis of a correlation of temperature and atmospheric Carbon Dioxide, that global warming is the single greatest threat to mankind on this world. To combat this threat, these groups are convinced that the single solution is bigger government, trans-national regulations and extensive costs and subsidies for a goal that is nebulous and not provable to be a solution. Wow!

15 posted on 12/18/2015 4:45:48 AM PST by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: PIF

Yes, there is global warming. The increased presence of divine high energy consciousness on earth is not only creating heat in the transmutation process but is also causing turbulence. Just as the Quakers and Shakers have found that the body responds when divine consciousness moves into them.


16 posted on 12/18/2015 4:50:20 AM PST by tired&retired (Blessings)
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Thanks for biting ... my post was a spoof of their likely hypocrisy in certain areas of ‘science’ ... and you are right it has been warming on average for the past 16,500 years since the end of the Ice Age with the invention of the SUV ...


17 posted on 12/18/2015 5:00:48 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: LibWhacker

Science exists, of course, to justify political change. Scientists are privy to the Secrets of the Universe and can design Utopia for the Academicians and Politicians to implement and manage.


18 posted on 12/18/2015 5:21:07 AM PST by arthurus (Het is waar. Tutti i liberali sono feccia.)
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To: LibWhacker

Why is there a debate on the definition of science?

Because science has become politicized.

You see it in global warming/climate change, where evidence is manipulated (temperature records altered, models with a temperature plus factor) and conspiracies to silence alternative views while screaming “the science is settled!” All to promote an agenda that mandates control over energy use and resource use that mirrors what they said we had to do in response to global cooling.

You see it in the social sciences where they come up with studies that “prove” conservatives are less intelligent, backward, bad while liberals and atheists meet all measures of “better”. I’ve participated in political science and psychology studies for pay, and they consider novelty seeking behavior a good and conservatism bad. Ditto for studies that advocate wild changes in social structure like same sex marriage, when studies like the Regernus one show children raised in the average same sex household have life outcomes akin to single mothers - and a child of the opposite sex of the parents does WORSE than with a single mother.


19 posted on 12/18/2015 5:23:27 AM PST by tbw2
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This is the slippery slope we face today. The uncovering of existing truths that happened every few decades are no longer coming at the same pace. It may take generations to get to the next one, but who wants to wait for that? It is the “me” generation. Let’s just redefine what science is. Let’s redefine the word empirical.
Heck....better yet, lets eliminate objective truth completely.
This is how we have agw being considered science, based on consensus of weak minds.

Truth just IS. You can’t redefine it away. You can try, but at your own peril.


20 posted on 12/18/2015 6:30:52 AM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (If you haven't figured it out, there is a great falling away...happening before your eyes.)
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