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To: dangus

A couple of quick points:

If Vader knew of Leia, why did he so vigorously react when Luke accidentally disclosed her during their battle? His renewed vigor in that fight shows he was learning something new. With two children, he had two chances at turning a partner to help in defeating the Emperor and becoming the Sith master himself. Anakin’s pride again on display. He was always fighting to better his teachers.

Luke was smug when brought before the Emperor because he was convinced he could turn Vader by then. It was a look of “I have already defeated you”.

Anakin only made 3CPO, not R2D2. And when he last saw the droid, he had not been given outer skins yet. There were many protocol droids that looked like 3CPO. No reason for him to know him.

Obi-wan had been a hermit and focusing on the connecting to force at a greater level for years. He knew that Vader striking him would be the impulse event that would transform him directly into The Force - hence no body. Even Vader had a corpse at death. Obi-wan and Yoda did not.


26 posted on 12/17/2015 10:37:45 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: 5thGenTexan

>> If Vader knew of Leia, why did he so vigorously react when Luke accidentally disclosed her during their battle? His renewed vigor in that fight shows he was learning something new. With two children, he had two chances at turning a partner to help in defeating the Emperor and becoming the Sith master himself. Anakin’s pride again on display. He was always fighting to better his teachers. <<

Vader was reacting to Luke’s renewed vigor... and having tapped into Luke’s anger.

>> Luke was smug when brought before the Emperor because he was convinced he could turn Vader by then. It was a look of “I have already defeated you”. <<

Essentially, this is correct, but agrees with my argument: Luke knew that there was good in Vader. We’re only quabbling about the magnitude and nature of that realization.

>> Anakin only made 3CPO, not R2D2. And when he last saw the droid, he had not been given outer skins yet. There were many protocol droids that looked like 3CPO. No reason for him to know him. <<

Plausible, but how prepostrously unlikely is it that Leia happens to grab the robot Anakin made?

>> Obi-wan had been a hermit and focusing on the connecting to force at a greater level for years. He knew that Vader striking him would be the impulse event that would transform him directly into The Force - hence no body. Even Vader had a corpse at death. Obi-wan and Yoda did not. <<

Impulse event? Not canon, then it didn’t happen.


27 posted on 12/17/2015 10:48:26 AM PST by dangus
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