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Discovery items suggest cops shot people as they crawled, where they fell
RadioLegendary ^ | 11/24/2015

Posted on 11/24/2015 4:40:38 PM PST by Elderberry

AUTOPSY REPORTS AN AMERICAN GOTHIC OF PAIN, SORROW

"We don't want to distrust our law enforcement so much that we live in fear of getting shot on a lazy Sunday afternoon." - an investigator

Waco - No one associated with the community of grieving bikers and their families touched by the tragedy of a police "shoot-out" at Twin Peaks on May 17 is surprised by the facts as they trickle out in dribs and drabs.

Calling certain items "discovery" is as ridiculous as the ethnocentric notion that Columbus "discovered" a civilization that had an advanced architecture, celestial observatories, calendars and a knowledge of complex mathematical principles. The best one can do is consider the fact that he was headed somewhere he'd never been, wound up somewhere he didn't expect to be, and had no clear idea exactly where that was. Add in the fact that the entire expedition was financed by a woman - and what do you have? El Dorado, and a whole lot of silver, to boot.

Let's not go there; we're already there.

But it's the oral history of the mothers and grandmothers, their children - the extended family - that will count in the future.

Jerry Couger, "Big Jake" Rhyne's "grandmother by marriage" got in contact, asking, "Jim, who do you think is Red Boots?..."

A good question, it's fair to ask when you've lost someone you loved, and there are pictures of a man with a rifle in hand, standing by while that loved one died from gunshot wounds of the type.

"There is a joke, sort of, once you are a part of our family you will never get out of our family. In most cases that is true." She goes on to recite a litany of misfortune that has a common theme. The family closes ranks, even when divorce splits the houses, suicide leaves its legacy of self-murder, and disease renders its members helpless, dependent on others.

She mourns the way that family lost Jacob Rhyne to a bullet that left a quarter-inch entry wound that pierced the muscle on the left side of his neck, injured his jugular vein, then arced downward to penetrate the seventh cervical vertebrae. Witnesses who know better than to come forward say Rhyne was in the act of looking around the corner "to see what all the commotion was about" when the bullet found him. The path of a second wound makes it clear he was gut shot after he was down, the bullet entering the "abdomen 31 inches below top of head, trajectory front to back, right to left, and upward."

A brother Cossack gave his recollection in a video, saying he and other bikers came to Jake's rescue, moving him from where he lay prone across the parking lot at Don Carlos, carried him to a pickup truck, and tried to wheel him to a waiting ambulance before police stopped them. "He was a lot of man," the old boy said, recalling the struggle to move the helpless giant.

"John Wilson," a former motorcycle shop owner and President of a local Cossacks chapter, "told my granddaughter they wouldn't let them take Jake to an ambulance, nor come get him. He said Jake lived 30 to 45 minutes. Makes me sick. I loved Jake; I was his favorite OLD woman."

The autopsy report notes a "red abrasion and contusion" in the middle of his chest, consistent with "resuscitative efforts."

"I have read the .223 wounds were from an AR-15 or M16. I have no doubt it was a setup. We can't bring Jake back, but there has to be justice for murdering him. This won't happen in McLennan County. When you see the biker that has been shot on the tailgate of a truck, that is Jake. I am all but positive the guy we are calling Red Boots shot Jake..."

A medical examiner characterized his death as a "homicide."

Reports from DPS officials and Waco Police outline what kind of setup that may have been, but first, it is well to consider the manner in which Rhyne and eight other men died.

Jesus Delgado Rodriguez appears to have been executed while seated on a slight embankment, a bullet inscribed on its bottom as 15-8021 over the further inscription CS entering his left eye, plowing through his head and exiting under his scalp. Its path, front to back, slightly downward. A bullet entered Wayne Lee Campbell's head and wound up in his "trunk," suggesting its path was from the top down. Richard Matthew Jordan died when a bullet pierced his head "four and a quarter inches below the top" and a half-inch right of the posterior midline. Richard Vincent Kirschner , Jr., sustained two bullet wounds to his buttocks, one of which shattered his femur, the other piercing the right medial thigh. A third bullet entered the back of his left knee. Manuel Isaac Rodriguez died of a bullet wound to the right front of his head, the projectile lodging in the musculature of the left side of his neck behind the sixth cervical vertebrae. Charles Wayne Russell died when a bullet wounded him in the right side of his chest, plowed through the auricle of his heart's atrial chamber, clipped his lung, pierced his aorta, and exited his back. Matthew Mark Suit caught a round in the right side of his back, the bullet wounding the sixth and seventh thoracic vertebrae. Daniel Raymond Boyett sustained a wound from a quarter-inch bullet in the top of his head, another in his left temple, and a third in his abdomen.

NEXT:

If the "shoot-out" was a set-up, what do documents and reports generated by police tell us about preparations for what they expected would be a violent confrontation between motorcycle clubs they have termed "criminal gangs?"


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To: vette6387; DuncanWaring; Travis McGee

That one many say is Department of Public Safety Lt. Steven Schwartz

From the Waco biker community, rumor has it that he had been seen earlier that day wearing Cossacks MC 'cut' (denim jacket with sleeves removed) some time prior to taking that off and picking up the weapon he is seen holding in the photo image.

BETTER rumor has it that the Cossacks were infiltrated with MANY undercover LEO's.

I got that last one direct from a very good local-to-Waco biker community source.

21 posted on 11/24/2015 6:13:25 PM PST by BlueDragon
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To: Elderberry

I’ve been looking for them.
Daily.

Oddly enough, they have not yet been made public....


22 posted on 11/24/2015 6:15:44 PM PST by sarasmom (TRUMP-Because there is no option to vote NONE OF THE ABOVE for the rest of them!)
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To: sarasmom

Will we ever be able to see them?

ATF Denies Being an ‘Agency’ to Avoid FOIA Compliance Requirements
By David Codrea on August 11, 2015

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/08/david-codrea/atf-denies-being-an-agency-to-avoid-foia-compliance-requirements/


23 posted on 11/24/2015 6:19:33 PM PST by Elderberry
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To: BlueDragon

“that one many say is Department of Public Safety Lt. Steven Schwartz”

What do we know about his discharging his weapon and if he did, who did he shoot?
Tonight we are seeing a Chicago cop being charged with first degree murder for killing a 17 year-old black kit a YEAR AGO! Somehow, the events of Waco seem to be headed in this same direction, leading us to consider that the LEO’s have something to cover up!


24 posted on 11/24/2015 6:20:21 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Elderberry
And where are those ballistics reports?

The same place the video of this guy being shot to death is kept.


25 posted on 11/24/2015 6:22:38 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Elderberry
No one associated with the community of grieving bikers and their families touched by the tragedy of a police "shoot-out" at Twin Peaks...

Some of us sensed that the police went on a senseless shooting binge. That town seems to have a history of such things.

26 posted on 11/24/2015 6:26:29 PM PST by GingisK
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To: BlueDragon

Many references to Schwartz here:

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin_peaks_biker_shooting/judge-rules-twin-peaks-biker-wife-jailed-with-sufficient-probable/article_7f6da5d8-b70f-55fc-9cd3-6f7dc9d56964.html?mode=jqm

No sign of an image, though.


27 posted on 11/24/2015 6:30:38 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Elderberry
I have read the .223 wounds were from an AR-15 or M16. I have no doubt it was a setup.

What .223 wounds? Where has the caliber been determined?

28 posted on 11/24/2015 6:33:33 PM PST by semimojo
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To: vette6387

We don't, and may never.

Renya is playing evidence withholding games with defense attorneys.

29 posted on 11/24/2015 6:35:48 PM PST by BlueDragon
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To: semimojo

Waco police said 44 shell casings have been recovered from the scene where nine bikers were killed during a shootout at a Twin Peaks restaurant. Twelve of those casings came from the .223 caliber rifles of three SWAT officers, who were in adjacent parking lots.


30 posted on 11/24/2015 6:43:47 PM PST by Elderberry
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To: Elderberry
Casings and wounds are different things.

I'm not disputing that bikers were shot by cops but we really don't have enough information yet to know what happened.

31 posted on 11/24/2015 6:53:58 PM PST by semimojo
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To: DuncanWaring
My source positively identified that officer as being Schwartz --- although he may have been going by what he'd been told ---and some of that may trace back to a writer who calls herself 'Wicked Bitch' who lives nowhere near Texas (?).

Schwartz has been presenting himself in court documents as some kind of "expert" on biker gangs motorcycle clubs.

According to how I understand the Morton Act ---- the County prosecution, provided they are aware of Schwartz's involvement (I don't see how they can deny it at this point) must turn over ALL documents and investigative reports which pertain to this incident, including any which Schwartz wrote up --- before and after the incident, since there may well be exculpatory evidence there.

No longer (since implementation of the Morton Act) does the prosecution get to sift through evidence and decide what they want to share with the defense.

It's time to cough it up. ALL OF IT.

DPS was there, and had participated. They can't sit on information that they had collected prior to May 17th. It's time to put all the cards on the table, not play games with the photographic evidence generated on site as Renya is now doing ---attempting to hold that information hostage to his generalized demands.

There is more also that is due the defense, regardless if the McClennan County DA's office has even seen it or not, since the Morton Act reaches into law enforcement agencies directly.

32 posted on 11/24/2015 7:07:38 PM PST by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon

“We don’t, and may never.”

Seems to me then that the State of Texas needs to step in and take complete charge of this case. The answer that the truth may never come out, is unacceptable! I’m no fan of criminal biker gangs, but I am a fan of The Constitution.
Thus far, I see little evidence that Waco intends to deal with this on the up and up.
Actually, when you look at the justice system, it’s really the District Attorneys the country over who need to be looked at with a magnifying glass. Because it is in their venue that justice is or ls not served. Eveything needs to be straight up. No more plea bargains. That’s selling out justice for expiediency!


33 posted on 11/24/2015 7:11:32 PM PST by vette6387
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To: BlueDragon

34 posted on 11/25/2015 4:35:53 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: semimojo

One thing is for sure though. Once the cops started shooting at the bikers; the bikers stopped paying attention to each other and started paying attention to where the threat was coming from. This is simply a natural reaction to danger.

Even with the relatively small amount of info we have been able to get from a secretive DA; we can see a pattern of corruption and cover up which clearly indicates guilt on the side of Law Enforcement IN THIS CASE.

This is not much more than a colorful op-ed but it does one thing. It keeps the story alive and that is enough at this point until the truth comes out; if it ever does see the light of day. It would be a major crime if it didn’t.


35 posted on 11/25/2015 7:45:09 AM PST by Boomer
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To: USNBandit
There is no evidence presented, only speculation.

Evidence. Let me think. Who has the evidence?

And since when did asking questions become a bad thing?

And what "sourcing" meets your standard? Are you quite satisfied with how the msm has reported this story?

And when a gag order is imposed (overturned and then quickly reimposed) don't you get at least a little curious?

36 posted on 11/25/2015 8:24:34 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude; the_Watchman; USNBandit
Look at the sourcing. There is no evidence presented, only speculation.

Concurring bump...this article was written by some no-name blogger in Texas who's trying his hand at creating "news" on the internet.

Why anyone would pimp this stuff at FR is anyone's guess.

37 posted on 11/25/2015 4:39:44 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: don-o

Sourced as in, quoting sources, interviewing people, trying to get more than one side of the story, not cherry picking partial quotes and complete BS to kick up the number of hits to their website.


38 posted on 11/25/2015 5:10:52 PM PST by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

err...that whole “gag order” thing against everyone present / involved doesn’t produce an automatic gag reflex, in your opinion?

I voluntarily stepped outside of the protections of the Constitution of the USA for ordinary civilians, when I swore an oath to subject myself to the UCMJ.
I was not drafted, and I served two full enlistment terms.

At no point now, or in the future, will I ever support any attempt by any level of civilian government in the USA to subject people to the rigors of the UCMJ, who are not under that specific and really dangerous jurisdiction.

(I would have worded my post slightly differently, but my keyboard no longer allows me to post the letter after “Y” of the alphabet.)


39 posted on 11/25/2015 6:11:09 PM PST by sarasmom (TRUMP-Because there is no option to vote NONE OF THE ABOVE for the rest of them!)
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To: mac_truck
Why anyone would pimp this stuff at FR is anyone's guess.

Pogey Bait.


40 posted on 11/25/2015 6:40:32 PM PST by Elderberry
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