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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; metmom; kinsman redeemer; YHAOS; marron; xzins; hosepipe; trisham; ...
Dear Sister,

As has happened before, your inestimably agile, philosophic mind took much that I said well beyond its intended, simple extent.

Firt of all, if you examine it, you will see that I deliberately used a periodic table listing only the 92 "naturally occurring" elements.

My purpose was not to expound on esoteric details of God's Creation, rather, it was to emphasize the ordinariness of our bodies and the common stuff of which they are made. IOW, everything you will find in the physical makeup of human bodies is found right here on Earth -- and already existed here (had already been created by God) at the time of God's forming of the bodies of Adam and Eve from them.

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My point: The bodies of Adam and Eve were not "created", per se... ~~~~~~~~~~

To the discussion of our earthly, human bodies, things like trans-uranic ("man-made") elements and neutrinos zipping unnoticed through them are totally irrelevant. Even moreso are subatomic particles -- that we can only "see" via the (admitttedly magnificent) works of our own minds and hands -- off-topic re my intent in my #39....

OTOH, I know that you know full well that, if there is anyone on this forum who has put extensive thought into -- and expounds -- the premise that, as we expand our scientific knowledge, the more we find our discoveries reflecting truths that were revealed in Scripture -- it is I. (Your motives, question I, not...)

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I must admit, however that, because my satellite connection is finally becoming reliable after over 36 hours of rainy weather, I just now was able to watch the linked video in its totality. Nothing in it surprised me. In fact, Hugh Ross (an astrophysicist) and I are quite close in our thinking re the timing of creation. That is especially so re his placement of "the saga of Adam and Eve" within the last Ice Age. [Even Bishop Ussher would come close to agreeing with that!] <GRIN>

At that time, Earth already had a sizeable population of Homo sapiens (folk physically and intellectually "just like us") that was genetically and reproductively capable of providing those genetically diverse spouses I mentioned for the offspring of Adam and Eve.

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I am beginning to suspect that it was never God's intent to keep Adam, Eve, and their offspring "walled up" in the Garden forever.

Marron mentioned the "purity" of the genetic makeup of Adam and Eve. I agree. Moreover, I now think that it was always God's intent to introduce that purifying genetic strain into the extant population of His beings He had developed here on Earth. But, I suspect that Satan -- through Adam and Eve's sin -- short-circuited God's perfectly-planned timetable.

Furthermore, what Earth totally lacked until that time was a core populace created to be spiritually In the image and likeness of God.

Even though Adam and Eve were cast into the world ahead of time, and bearing the persistent stigma of sin, that lack was still rectified.

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Whimsical aside: Even though A&E probably left Eden wearing the latest in palaeolithic fur-style, being tossed out of Eden into an ice age probably was no picnic! ...the wages of sin...
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Back to the premise of the thread:

I most certainly may be wrong here, but, AFAIK, no one knows what "perfect" DNA looks like. (Or, more to the point, what Adam and Eve's genetic makeup was.) IOW. if we found it, would we reognize it?

My take on the premise of the thread is that , while "science" can not "prove" that Adam and Eve existed, neither can it disprove that Biblical fact.

49 posted on 11/07/2015 5:12:31 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias. "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: TXnMA
O-C/AR nature demands the following HTML "tweak" to my #49:

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My point: The bodies of Adam and Eve were not "created", per se...
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;-)

50 posted on 11/07/2015 5:22:32 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias. "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: TXnMA; betty boop

Some of your “speculative” views match mine pretty closely.

My view is that the “garden” was in effect a refuge from which they were safe and isolated from surrounding tribes.

I assume A&E were genetically the same as the others, but pure whereas the others would have the genetic imperfections you pick up over time. But that doesn’t have to be so. Their wives seem to have lived as long as they did, so maybe their genetic code was similarly pure, or maybe the mantle theory is right, that they were all protected from solar damage to the genetic code. Or maybe they took their wives from close relatives and didn’t seek out wives from other tribes so much until later. God always discouraged taking wives from among outsiders; this was for moral reasons but maybe it was to preserve the blood line for reasons beyond what we know. What do I know. :)

I do believe that A&E represented a kind of priesthood relationship, they were intended to walk with God in a close and familiar way. Over time they would have been injected into the surrounding tribes. As it was, Satan’s attempt to interfere merely caused God to inject them sooner than he would otherwise have done.

The idea was that as God’s bridge all men would be drawn into that kind of familial relationship through Adam’s family. And in fact that has continued to be God’s plan. So had Adam not sinned, thats the way it would have worked out. And if Adam did sin, its still the way it would work out.

I tend to assume that had Adam sought God after his sin, rather than running from God, the relationship would have continued as it had been.

As it is, God’s plan has been to bring us back into the original familiar and familial relationship Adam had enjoyed in Eden.

The “priesthood” role Adam was intended to play was unique, but was not intended to remain unique as all men were drawn into that relationship. Or at least potentially drawn into it as they chose and as they learned to walk in it.

So I’m not sure if the term “ensoulment” is exactly correct, but its as good a term as any to represent the change God sought in his relationship with the humanoids.


51 posted on 11/07/2015 11:48:20 PM PST by marron
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