[Lazamataz]

Btw, this is the most interesting post in the thread:

I agree and have agreed for some time and was even called an idiot for stating it on here more than a few times but what most people don’t know is that I have experience and training in influencing people using non-verbal / semantic techniques to get them to do what I want them to do as part of my training as an operative in another life. Propaganda and event / psychological manipulation are very real tools used by many law enforcement, investigative and/ or national security agencies, particularly the CIA. This would not be beyond the Obama administration at all given their anti-gun stance nor would it be dificult.

[Finny]

Spooky -- no pun intended. (spooks, spies ... )

Of course, those rumors that circulated in Europe in the early '40s of huge death camps in Germany were obviously only believable to wacko conspiracy nuts because no government would ever do such an evil thing as build mass murder chambers disguised as showers.

Seriously, Boogieman, Crazieman, Pirate Ragnar, Paladin2, SaxxonWoods, TheDon, Hetty Fauxvert, gdani, and all the rest of you "realists" who know better than to believe tinfoil hat conspiracies of organized wickedness on the part of corrupt governments --

Looks to me like a LOT of you need to bone up on your real-world history.