[Jack Black]

The natural law, which is pre-political, is imprinted on the souls of every human being by God. An atheist can live a moral life by recognizing and living by the natural law, even if they don’t know God. IAW, they can live a moral life because of the gift God has given them.

Fascinating comment. Thanks.

Could you theorize about natural law in the absence of God's existence. (even though you may not hold that position)? This seems to be my friends position, which I find puzzling.

[big'ol_freeper]

No, I don’t believe you can arrive at the natural law without and author.

[Zeneta]

Could you theorize about natural law in the absence of God’s existence. (even though you may not hold that position)? This seems to be my friends position, which I find puzzling.

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If I can share something that may address what your friends position may be.

IHMO, it comes down to the foundations of belief and/or worldview.

He certainly believes in and accepts the “Laws of Logic”, but the question for him is “Why?”

Where does Logic come from?

Is logic just an evolved social trait?

Can he prove logic to be true without using logic?

Now he needs to address his use of his “evolved logic” when doing math or “science” with consideration to his belief that we evolved by chance. After all, it/we could have evolved in a different way.

Natural law?

An evolutionist has no foundation to believe anything is true if they are consistent. They use the tools granted to them by God while denying God at the same time.

Laws of logic.
Materialism.
Empiricism.
Reduction.
The scientific method.
Reason.
Mathematics.

They can’t apply their own methods on their own methods because they have no foundation to believe their methods are true.

I found this “street encounter” very interesting since the atheist is actually very well educated and honest, wrong but honest.

Enjoy.

No Science, No Logic and No Morality: Atheism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxz84kS8k4U