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To: Nero Germanicus
Nothing you say in this regard carries the slightest weight with me. We know they are lying because they won't issue the d@mn document without putting statements in there that give them an out.

They have never said "This is Barack Obama's original Birth Certificate". They keep saying "Or an abstract of the record in our files." Which means that it can be completely fake and based on whatever has subsequently been placed in their files.

What you consistently refuse to address is the fact that there is always a liars out. They never say anything with out wiggle room to allow for a fake.



Till they commit to an unequivocal statement that cannot be parsed to allow for any other conclusion, I have no interest in their assertions, and I likewise have no interest in the fact that you keep bringing them up as if they actually prove something.

94 posted on 09/27/2015 12:21:46 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Blah, blah, blah.

Follow the law, get to see the original birth certificate.
If any judge or any member of Congress feels the need to look at that original piece of paper they can simply follow the law of the state of Hawaii and achieve that goal.

Hawaii Revised Statute 338-18(b):
“The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record.
The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction.”

The state of Hawaii has issued six verification statements for Barack Obama’s original birth certificate. To sane people, that bridge has long been crossed. Anyone who doesn’t believe that Hawaiian officials are telling the truth should arrange to have them subpoenaed to testify under oath before a committee of Congress, subpoena them to appear under oath before a grand jury, or depose them, again, under oath. The state Registrar can be asked to bring the original birth certificate with him to his appearance.

Two excerpts from those verification statements. I have put the word “original” in capital letters where it appears:
Immediate Release: October 31, 2008
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s ORIGINAL birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

HAWAI‘I HEALTH DEPARTMENT GRANTS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S REQUEST FOR CERTIFIED COPIES OF ‘LONG FORM’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE
The Hawaii State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his ORIGINAL Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.
“We hope that issuing certified copies of the ORIGINAL Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawaii,” Hawaii Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the ORIGINAL records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawaii.”


101 posted on 09/27/2015 10:06:32 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: DiogenesLamp

“original vital records” = deliberate parsing...a legal gap wide enough to drive a bus through.

And then, she takes off her doctor hat and puts on a black robe and qualifies Obama as a natural born citizen.


329 posted on 10/07/2015 1:02:15 PM PDT by NOVACPA
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