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To: Nero Germanicus
But the state of Hawaii says that he was born there, so the point is moot.

Except the state of Hawaii does not OFFICIALLY say he was born there. Various state officials assert he was born there, but that tiny little thing called "Proof" has never been provided, and indeed they absolutely and categorically REFUSE to provide the proof.

Their statements and assertions do not constitute any compelling evidence of where he was born, it's just that people who wish to regard it as proven accept them at face value instead of being intellectually honest about it.

84 posted on 09/26/2015 8:15:32 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

In 2009, the state Health Director issued a press release which stated:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen.”

Under Hawaii state law, the state’s issuance of a Certified Certificate of Live Birth is “Prima Facie Evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”
There has never been a court proceeding that denied prima facie evdence status to the Obama birth record.

Additionally the state has issued 3 Certfied Letters of Verification for the Obama birth vital record under the provisions of Hawaii Revised Statute 338-14.3. In all three cases, the Certified Letters of Verification were accepted as proof of place of birth by two states’ Chief Election officials and also by a U.S. District Court Judge in Mississippi.

Also the U.S. House of Representatives acknowledged Obama’s birth in Hawaii in House Res. 593 of the 111th Congress on a vote of 378-0.

Finally, Article IV, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution mandates “Full Faith and Credit” for the records of any state by every other state. Over the last eight years, no other state and no action by the federal government has denied full faith and credit to the Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Obama.


85 posted on 09/26/2015 10:57:12 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: DiogenesLamp; Nero Germanicus; CpnHook

You need to look at the wording of the verification and the Hawaii law on letters of verification.

First the law:

§338-14.3 Verification in lieu of a certified copy. (a) Subject to the requirements of section 338-18, the department of health, upon request, shall furnish to any applicant, in lieu of the issuance of a certified copy, a verification of the existence of a certificate and any other information that the applicant provides to be verified relating to the vital event that pertains to the certificate.
(b) A verification shall be considered for all purposes certification that the vital event did occur and that the facts of the event are as stated by the applicant.
(c) Verification may be made in written, electronic, or other form approved by the director of health.
(d) The fee for a verification in lieu of a certified copy shall be a maximum of one half of the fee established in section 338-14.5 for the first certified copy of a certificate issued.
(e) Fees received for verifications in lieu of certified copies shall be remitted, and one half of the fee shall be deposited to the credit of the vital statistics improvement special fund in section 338-14.6 and the remainder of the fee shall be deposited to the credit of the state general fund. [L 2001, c 246, §1; am L 2010, c 55, §1]

Then from the certified letter of verification sent to SoS Bennett.

“A birth certificate is on file with the Department of Health indicating that Barack Hussein Obama, II was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.”

Even if this was an adoption birth certificate the place of birth would not change.

And the Bennett letter of verification goes on to verify that the Hospital was “Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital” and no this could not be the hospital that he was taken days or weeks after he was born and examined.

The hospital’s name is part of the birth certificate form item 6.

6a - Place of Birth, City, Town or Rural Location
6b - Island
6c - Hospital or Institution (if not in hospital or institution give street address)
6d - Inside or outside city limits


89 posted on 09/26/2015 12:37:15 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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