Obviously there is, or there would be no need for Hawaii to keep dodging the demand for the "original."
How about you take you big ignorant mouth and explain to Hawaii that there is absolutely no reason why they should not release the original, because There is no material distinction between "this is the original document" and "this is the information shown on the original document."
Try your argument on them, because they are the ones insisting on making the distinction.
Putz.
They gave a copy (a partial copy, as the portion of the "original" which contains medical information about the mother and infant is not released to requestors ever) to Obama in 2011. And that copy was scanned to the WH webpage.
I'm not seeing the dodge. I have, though, seen the exasperation expressed by State officials at the repeated requests, to the point they simply directed further inquirers via link to the White House page.
Try your argument on them, because they are the ones insisting on making the distinction.
"(b) A verification shall be considered for all purposes certification that the vital event did occur and that the facts of the event are as stated by the applicant."
Why would I argue with Hawaii when it's clear to me that, from Hawaii's perspective, they've affirmed Obama's birth there in multiple ways through multiple persons? And I can understand why -- given a long history of "goal post moving" by Birthers -- their doing anything further won't achieve anything. From Post 187:
“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”
Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories.
If Hawaii were today to issue or post a copy with the attestation "this is a true copy of the original record on file" I have NO doubt the Birther response would be "but this looks suspicious coming now so late in the game, we need to have document examiners allowed in to see the vault original." And if those document examiners were to report back and say "it looks legitimate" the Birther response would be "Oh, but they've been bribed or threatened; they were probably shown a photo of Loretta Fuddy and 'got the message.'" Okubo is right.
You're just one very noisy, incompetent loon flocking with a host of other loons.
A majority of states and the federal government follow the requirements of the Federal Rules of Evidence with regard to vital records such as birth certificates.
Federal Rule of Evidence 902 specifies the requirements for a public record being “self-authenticating,” meaning HDOH or anyone introducing a birth certificate into evidence need not provide any additional authentification information other than the document itself.
Rule 902. “Evidence That Is Self-Authenticating”
The following items of evidence are self-authenticating; they require no extrinsic evidence of authenticity in order to be admitted:
(1) Domestic Public Documents That Are Sealed and Signed. A document that bears:
(A) a seal purporting to be that of the United States; any state, district, commonwealth, territory, or insular possession of the United States; the former Panama Canal Zone; the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands; a political subdivision of any of these entities; or a department, agency, or officer of any entity named above...
(B) a signature purporting to be an execution or attestation...
(4) Certified Copies of Public Records. A copy of an official record — or a copy of a document that was recorded or filed in a public office as authorized by law — if the copy is certified as correct by:
(A) the custodian or another person authorized to make the certification; or
(B) a certificate that complies with Rule 902(1), (2), or (3), a federal statute, or a rule prescribed by the Supreme Court.
And Federal Rule of Evidence 1005 covers the requirements for the use of copies of public records in order to prove their content:
Rule 1005. Copies of Public Records to Prove Content
The proponent may use a copy to prove the content of an official record — or of a document that was recorded or filed in a public office as authorized by law — if these conditions are met: the record or document is otherwise admissible; and the copy is certified as correct in accordance with Rule 902(4) or is testified to be correct by a witness who has compared it with the original. If no such copy can be obtained by reasonable diligence, then the proponent may use other evidence to prove the content.
Best Evidence Rule
The best evidence rule applies when a party wants to admit as evidence the contents of a document at trial, but the original document is not available. In this case, the party must provide an acceptable excuse for its absence. If the document itself is not available, and the court finds the excuse provided acceptable, then the party is allowed to use secondary evidence to prove the contents of the document and have it as admissible evidence. The best evidence rule only applies when a party seeks to prove the contents of the document sought to be admitted as evidence.
The best evidence rule would be a perfectly acceptable reason for a judge to issue a court order for inspection of the vault edition Certificate of Live Birth.
My research about Obama goes back several/many years. From such I conclude that mama Stanley Ann during her teen aged flings in SE Asia connected with a cult led by a guy named Muhammed Subuh (check him out on web pages). Subuh was a communist ( mama Stanley Ann and her family loved communists)cult leader. Stanley Ann was kicked out of the cult by angry members who did not take to the leader bedding a white girl. Stanley Ann then went back to Hawaii where daddy and mamma fixed her up with a communist Kenyon university student who was willing to be a surrogate daddy. However the Kenyan already had a wife in Kenya and Hawaii did not allow plural marriages. So mamma had to go to Kenya to give birth. This is what tied/ties Obama to Kenya. There is much more to the history of Obama from inception in SE Asia to presence in a California college to Chicago. Someday all will know. Check out the history of Stanley Ann’s friendship with a well known keeper of Hawaiian records Fuddy and her demise in a controversial plane crash off Molokai.