Posted on 09/11/2015 6:39:55 PM PDT by Steelfish
Pretty much stopped reading right there.
We want that wall, we need that wall.
Are you kidding? He is about as a direct candidate as you will ever get as far as policy.
That is some funny $hit right there. Walker is at what 1%. Jindal attacked Trump this week with all the GOPe talking points and Carson even tried to go after Trump. Are you gullible enough to think that was all a coincidence?
These are not the positions of a liberal
There are two types of people on the right, one group thinks that the USA is being invaded by foreigners both legally and illegally and it needs to stop now or the USA is doomed. They "get" Trump and he is a God send, warts and all. And there are a lot of warts for sure.
The other group doesn't not see the existential threat(stupidly so) and so does not "get" Trump.
Ah 'Steefish', clearly a better name for you would be 'red herring'
Anyway what you posted is such bull crap and you know it. The goal is to put pressure on the illegals to go home on their own. Stepping up deportations is just one tool. ICE doesn't have to deport everyone. You detain, try, confiscate assets and ship home a million then 9 million do it on their own. Stop spreading your trash talk crapola.
We're gettin' a wall!
This election is going to be the easiest one for me ever. Since I support Trump I won’t have to send him money and he appears to not need a strong ground game; he has recognition and a household name already. He is famous in his own right. It’s non auto pilot.
I would say supporting another GOPe candidate is irrational....
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
I already feel that way about posting in FR. No point in getting in long drawn-out arguments when your choice of candidates is easily winning so many arguments without your help.
I am much more relaxed in the presence of Trump critics (and even agree with some of what they say) than I was when I was defending Gingrich in 2012 or Fred Thompson in 2008. Those were some rough rows to hoe, I'll tell you.
Jonah takes the lame and rebuts them, but ignores the good and better arguments.
This is the fallacy of Contradict Confidently. It works by vigorously denouncing each of your opponent’s arguments as fallacious but just select one or two that you can easily defeat to prove the point. The harder arguments—the better cases, so to speak, are ignored. You concentrate on the easily rebutted points, even if there are only a few, and spend all your time by speaking or writing only about those, and lead the listener/hearer into the idea that that is all your opponent can muster. Then assume that you have won.
MY LOGICAL ARGUMENT
I don't even attempt to defend Trump. I WANT an assault, a full offense against the GOPe. I only want to see the RINO party broken in true defeat. I believe when the democrats win, the RINOs are fine with that because they still get power and money as "the loyal opposition" and are more than glad to become the convenient democrat and media punching bag as they still get "paid".
For years this win/lose between the democrats and RINOs have been a virtual shell game for the rest of us. The "pea" is in the same "shell" all along. The Uniparty.
They need a defeat from the inside, one which breaks the lobbyists, moneymen, bag men and all the other enablers of the Washington money cabal. Trump has his own money--he cannot be bribed like so many we've in the past.
Even if Trump turns on us after the election, well, we've had that happen since George Herbert Walker Bush with every Republican who won. If it breaks many of these RINOs from attaining power, it is a good deal in the long run.
I’m not pulling the lever for Trump OR for Bush. If either of those two RINOs get the nomination, I’ll vote straight up the line conservative until I get to the line for the president. That will not be checked.
This thread proves Goldberg’s point, and painfully. You make a simple assertion of fact like “Trump is not a conservative” - a point of substance, and one debatable with facts and logic - and within seconds the supporters begin the substance-free name calling, and the pre-recorded exegesis of the demonstrable false dilemma takes up the rest of the white space.
I never thought I’d see an old style cult of personality erupt among conservatives, but I’m watching it, with all the fascination due a slow-motion train wreck. It won’t end well, and the landscape will be littered with executed partisans at the end. Cult leaders always betray the first generation in order to grow the second. Something here about being doomed to repeat history. Sad.
Sad, but actually fascinating at the level of pure intellectual curiosity. I do enjoy (it’s a sort of hobby) sociological crowd-watching. When I can’t make it to the mall to watch teenage girls shriek over a 15 year old kid with no observable qualities, I can now just come to a freeper show and collect the shrieks of the freepers as they swoon over another bad boy who - what? - offended daddy? Is that what you wanted all these years? Someone to finally say rude things to daddy that you couldn’t say yourself? Wow. Those of us who’ve retained our reason and can’t identify one good quality in the strutting blowhard are just....fascinated.
Meanwhile, a conservative governor with a record of economic governance drops out of the race. Another conservative governor with a history of actually fighting the left and winning is largely ignored.
Allow me to blow some rational oxygen into the room between shrieks (you can stagger back here and resuscitate your sanity after it all blows over):
No. No, Donald Trump is not:
1. putting the media in their place (they’re laughing)
2. removing the establishment GOP from their seats of power (they’re still there)
3. going to run for the presidency without taking money from “special interests” (he doesn’t have the liquid assets)
4. going to deport the illegals (he’ll change that position overnight when he is pressed on the details. Watch.)
5. build a wall and make Mexico pay for it (again, he is the most malleable under pressure of all the candidates)
6. not, I say, a conservative on any issue. (He will say anything, then reverse himself within a day.)
7. Not different because “he fights”. (No, he bluffs, then backs down when called, or just lies about what he said. He’s a poker player. The table is attracting real pros. Just watch.)
7. Not going to win the GOP nomination.
8. Not going to be President of the United States. Or hold any public office, for that matter.
Now go ahead and put those posters up on your bedroom wall, but you’re not going to the dance with that idiot.
Jonah’s strawdog RINO factory is working overtime in this latest squishy screed. Blah!
He doesn’t have the money. He’s running on free air time right now. He won’t liquidate hard assets to fund his campaign.
I am not all in for trump, I am enjoying the show. Way to early to get series about anyone.
Jindal and Walker are both GOPe. You’re dismissed as a troll.
Trump is 100% pure, unadulterated RINO. One year ago he was against the dignity of life (pro-abort) and against the metaphysical right of private property ownership (pro-Kelo). You’ve just been TRUMPED!
Excellent points, Taliesan.
Conservatism is, and has always been, about preserving heritage; about preserving the historic verities of your people. But the priorities that one Conservative may have, may differ from those of another. A clear example would be some of your comments--your insulting comments--directed at people whose Conservatism is directed more at preserving the value system of the Founding Fathers, as opposed to an over emphasis on aspects of personal safety, etc.. What you ridicule, is more truly Conservative than some of the things that your ridicule implies that you take for granted.
Your own arrogance reminds one a bit of Trump's; but his arrogance is tempered by being better keyed to an understanding of the actual dynamics of the current American debate.
Goldberg's piece, like much that is written on the subject, today, appears more calculated to look intellectual, rather than actually achieve any appreciable level of true analysis. It was not, in my opinion, something that really requires counter-analysis, as I can not see it changing anyone's opinion.
Trump & Cruz are the best shots we have at present to save the heritage that has been so severely eroded during the Clinton/Bush/Obama era. That is not an easy task; but it will not ever be achieved by endless fluff pieces, like that at the head of this thread.
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