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The Great Trumpian Divide
National Review ^ | September 11, 2015 | JONAH GOLDBERG

Posted on 09/11/2015 6:39:55 PM PDT by Steelfish

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To: Steelfish

Not that it matters, but my stance is that I enjoy what Trump’s saying because he says the same thing regardless of whomever he is speaking to. If nothing else, he’s started a dialog that professional politicians have to address and it makes them squirm. The Dems and the GOP will say whatever it takes to get money to buy votes. They spin everything. “We need a tax on internet sales to level the playing field for the Mom and Pop stores.” Bullshit! You want to collect taxes so you can dream up idiocy like free cell phones to buy votes to keep you in office. The Dems don’t want to stem the flood of illegals because they (correctly) believe they will vote Democrat. Where would the fight be if they thought they’d vote Republican?

So many of us conservatives are fed up with the sellouts we see almost every day by the GOP. Just today, McConnell sold out the Congressional responsibility to review treaties. The GOP has been handed power and is incapable of using it. Boehner doesn’t have a clue what conservatives want and, if he does, he sure as hell isn’t producing for us.

I don’t see Trump getting the nomination, but I sure to enjoy seeing the MSM and old political hacks scratching their heads while Trump tells is like it is.


21 posted on 09/11/2015 7:08:44 PM PDT by econjack (I'm not bossy...I just know what you should be doing.)
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To: Steelfish

Conservatism is on life support as far as directing the future of the country is concerned. If Trump can attack and disable various leftist organs (heh, heh) laud him on...


22 posted on 09/11/2015 7:09:53 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Ive given up on aphostrophys and spell chek on my current devices...one uses Brit spel now.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

That’s excellent. They just don’t get it. We’ve had Bush with a Congress before and NOTHING happened. Government GREW. What did Pete Townshend sing? Something about not getting fooled again?


23 posted on 09/11/2015 7:14:15 PM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Trump is a RINO with deep character flaws. He’s a shallow, nasty, narcissistic, Godless opportunist who inherited his millions. He’ll appoint supreme court justices who will be happy to confiscate the private property of the little guy and give it to his rich crony friends via Kelo. He’s no Ronald Reagan because he continues to break Uncle Ron’s 11th commandment by always trashing conservatives and using liberal talking points to do so. No Trump. Never. Goldberg’s essay was very reasonable.


24 posted on 09/11/2015 7:14:51 PM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: aposiopetic
Agree with him or not, that's not completely off the wall.

It is when the alternative you advocate is provably guilty of what you only suspect about Trump.

25 posted on 09/11/2015 7:16:52 PM PDT by papertyger (Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui neat. / Proof lies on him who asserts, not on him who denies)
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To: Ge0ffrey

How exactly is Trump a RINO?


26 posted on 09/11/2015 7:18:57 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Bush [the 90s rock band] for POTUS 2016!!!)
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To: Ge0ffrey
Goldberg’s essay was very reasonable.

Goldberg's essay is sophistry at its finest.

27 posted on 09/11/2015 7:21:00 PM PDT by papertyger (Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui neat. / Proof lies on him who asserts, not on him who denies)
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To: Fhios

But Trump is not an exception in that regard. Every candidate no doubt wonders if he or she has the right stuff to be president. I’m sure that many are astounded that they are at 1% and below, but they must have wondered jumping in about the magnitude of their quest. Now that I think about Trump is probably the only candidate who thinks he is able to comfortably wear those shoes.


28 posted on 09/11/2015 7:22:18 PM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: econjack

After 2 terms of Obama how is it that narcissism, braggadocio, and deceit are grounds for not electing someone president?
Trump hates PC. PC is Marxist ideology. It is not fashionable or culturally sophisticated. It is deliberately destructive of language and morality. That single fact is grounds for me to salute Trump.


29 posted on 09/11/2015 7:23:42 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Steelfish
opposition to the Patriot Act is now a conservative litmus test? Who knew?

Answer: Real conservatives.

30 posted on 09/11/2015 7:26:52 PM PDT by peyton randolph (I am not a number. I am a free man.)
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To: Ge0ffrey
he continues to break Uncle Ron’s 11th commandment by always trashing conservatives

You are confusing GOPe with conservatives.

31 posted on 09/11/2015 7:28:50 PM PDT by peyton randolph (I am not a number. I am a free man.)
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To: Ge0ffrey

What’s your definition of Jeb? Would you vote for Jeb over Trump?


32 posted on 09/11/2015 7:29:12 PM PDT by Sybeck1
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I left the Republican party about six years ago, but I didn’t register as a Democrat. Trump did.


33 posted on 09/11/2015 7:36:17 PM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: Sybeck1

Trump is Jeb Bush on steroids.


34 posted on 09/11/2015 7:37:17 PM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: Ge0ffrey
Trump is a RINO with deep character flaws. He’s a shallow, nasty, narcissistic, Godless opportunist who inherited his millions. He’ll appoint supreme court justices who will be happy to confiscate the private property of the little guy and give it to his rich crony friends via Kelo. He’s no Ronald Reagan because he continues to break Uncle Ron’s 11th commandment by always trashing conservatives and using liberal talking points to do so. No Trump. Never. Goldberg’s essay was very reasonable.

Excellent points. Too bad the TrumpenConservatives won't listen to you.

p.s., Goldberg's book, "Liberal Fascism," was a fine read.

35 posted on 09/11/2015 7:40:30 PM PDT by Stepan12 (Our present appeasementof Islam is the Stockholm Syndrome on steroids.)
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To: peyton randolph

This GOPe crap is crap. Why don’t you name just one conservative position that Trump held a year ago that he holds today? You’ll have a hard time doing it because two years ago he was liberal democrat. Pro abortion, pro Kelo. In other words, human life and private property didn’t register with Trump two years ago. Suddenly it does? Nope. I don’t believe his shallow 11th hour opportunistic bull crap. My background is blue collar so please save your breath about me being some kind of elitist.


36 posted on 09/11/2015 7:42:49 PM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: Ge0ffrey
My background is blue collar so please save your breath about me being some kind of elitist.

Wouldn't dream of it! You're much to narrow-minded to be an elitist.

Suffice to say, one reason your screed won't get any traction is because the entirety of your "opinion" is soundly confuted by simply reading Trump's book "Time to get Tough," published in 2011.

Yours is the ranting of a latter-day Archie Bunker. Nevertheless, I'm sure you're more comfortable with an ignorant-and-proud-of-it demeanor than you would be with actually educating yourself on Trump's positions to understand why so many FReepers disagree with you.

37 posted on 09/11/2015 7:55:50 PM PDT by papertyger (Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui neat. / Proof lies on him who asserts, not on him who denies)
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To: Steelfish

Excellent article. Thanks for posting it.


38 posted on 09/11/2015 8:02:14 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Ge0ffrey

The sheep follow the goat to slaughter.

The Trump cult is a lost cause.

It will be interesting to see how many are actually Republicans and eligible to participate in the caucuses and primaries. If many are really democrats and independents his strength is overstated.


39 posted on 09/11/2015 8:03:45 PM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: Ge0ffrey
Trump is a RINO with deep character flaws. He’s a shallow, nasty, narcissistic, Godless opportunist who inherited his millions. He’ll appoint supreme court justices who will be happy to confiscate the private property of the little guy and give it to his rich crony friends via Kelo. He’s no Ronald Reagan because he continues to break Uncle Ron’s 11th commandment by always trashing conservatives and using liberal talking points to do so. No Trump. Never. Goldberg’s essay was very reasonable.

I think this is an excellent article by Jonah Goldberg.

However, I'm still looking at Trump. We have no idea what he would do as POTUS, but I'm hoping for the best. I hope he is the real thing.

I do have a problem with people who want to lower their standards to accept him just because he pisses off the people they dislike.

40 posted on 09/11/2015 8:15:37 PM PDT by EveningStar
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