Apple unveils the all-new Apple TV with Siri Remote, tvOS, and Apple TV App Store

Mac Daily News ^ | Wednesday, September 9, 2015

[bolobaby]

You factually reported. Ha. *These* guys factually report:

(All from the past day)

6 ‘New’ Things Introduced By Apple That Aren’t So New
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/6-things-introduced-apple-arent-205639188.html

Apple ‘isn’t reinventing the world’ anymore
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2015/09/10/apple-reinventing-world-stock-aapl/72005518/

Why Apple’s Presentation Fell Flat
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-apples-presentation-fell-flat-184534257.html

Apple Fails to Impress: Should You Still Buy its ETFs?
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-fails-impress-still-buy-172905860.html

Apple iPhone unveil lacks sizzle of past events
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/09/09/apple-iphone-unveil-lacks-sizzle-past-events/71770574/

Apple: Something for Everyone, But Macquarie Sees Mostly ‘Disappointment’
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2015/09/10/apple-something-for-everyone-but-macquarie-sees-mostly-disappointment/?mod=yahoobarrons&ru=yahoo

Has Apple lost ‘WOW’ factor?
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/apple-lost-wow-factor-185000999.html

[Eaker]

It is a direct and unaltered quote from one of your posts so no.

[Mr. Jeeves]

I bet the photos will still be blurry when taking pictures of Bigfoot....

LOL! That's because of Bigfoot's alien phase-shifting psychokinetic powers - even portraits taken at Sears Family Photo Studio come out fuzzy. :)

[Swordmaker]

Um... dude. I *own* a Galaxy Note 3 *phone*. I’m staring at the stylus. It has a button. Good thing you wasted all those words telling me something isn’t true that I can see is true with my very own eyes.

Ok, what does your button do? Everything I've read on the Samsung phone stylus shows it is not too useful. The electronics are all on the phone. The button appears to be semi-useful:

Six Clicks: Useful things you can do with the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 S Pen

ROFLMAO at the amazing Samsung S Pen. . .

[bolobaby]

Haha - now you are taking the same tack I was taking: mocking the features!

1. I mocked the awesome new iPencil, which is an overpriced tool that has a leather working tool and a fish descaler that now one except a very small set of users will actually care about beyond novelty.

2. You tell me that it’s no much better than the simple piece of dumb plastic that does absolutely nothing on the Samsung.

3. I point out that the S Pen actually has functionality (probably about as much as any user would really want, actually).

4. You take my tactic and mock the features offered!

LOL - love it!

Face it, the iPen is a dud. It doesn’t matter if if could ink a tattoo of The Donald on the user’s arm - it’s still a lot of useless features in an overpriced vessel for the vast majority of users.

[Swordmaker]

So now that you have been proved wrong (yet again) you have no morphed your argument that someone else is making Amazon's product to try and save face for making your wrong statement about Amazon getting out of the hardware game.

No, I have not. I see nothing except unsubstantiated rumors in those articles. Nothing there negates what I wrote about the Amazon Fire TV. . . and the laying off of engineers from Amazon. YOU confabulated it into Tablets, not me. I said nothing about their Kindle Tablets and e-Readers. YOU brought that into the discussion. I still think that Amazon will not be engineering their own products when they can buy an off the shelf reference product, slap their name and stick in their Amazon Forked Android on it ALL without having to engineer it themselves. Otherwise, why are they laying off their engineers?

This is what RETAILERS DO, Mad Dawgg. They buy products, put their names on them, and resell them. There's nothing new here.

Google did it with the Nexus. Montgomery Wards and Sears both sold the same Stevens and H&R .22 rifles, just with different store brand names. There is nothing new under the sun.

[Swordmaker]

Yep. I don’t buy my Netflix, Hulu, or Amazon Prime streaming services. I get those for free. You are totally right. Only Apple users buy stuff when you live in Happy Apple Land(™).

I also subscribe to service. . . but they don't offer new releases or videos of movies in theaters now, do they? That is what was being measured and bought. . . or do you still deliberately fail to understand purchased Streaming Videos for which the tracking statistics I quoted specifically referred? As I said, it is what it is. You are not entitled to your own facts.

[Mad Dawgg]

"Nothing there negates what I wrote about the Amazon Fire TV. . . and the laying off of engineers from Amazon. YOU confabulated it into Tablets, not me. I said nothing about their Kindle Tablets and e-Readers. YOU brought that into the discussion."

And yet again you are wrong: Your words from post 84 "It indicates a major re-allignment in Amazon's plans to concentrate on their core competency, retail, not developing hardware."

Unless you can convince us somehow that kindles and fire tablets and fire TVs are not "hardware" then you are proved wrong once again.

So you brought in the tablets and everything else with your FUD comment that Amazon is getting out of the hardware business.

And that my friend is once again:

game...

set...

and match...!

[usconservative]

Some rebuttal of your earlier post:

Does the Roku have 64GB or 128GB of native fast storage on it? No? I thought not.

No, Roku does not. Curious to know what Apple plans on using that storage for (movies? Music?)

How about mirroring your computer's, phone's or tablet's screen on your big screen TV wirelessly? No, not possible with a Roku.

Roku = no. Google Stick = Yes. Granted, it's pretty crappy functionality.

Hand off playing a game you were playing on your phone right onto your big screen TV without interruption? Uh, no. Not possible with Roku.

That's also not the purpose of the Roku, so I'm not sure that's a fair comparison. How many people do you think would actually use that functionality? And then, how long until the novelty of it wears off?

Instantly stream your home videos or photos to your TV from your phone where you took them or from your computer where you store them. Uh, no, not from your Roku. You have to sneaker-net them over there on a flash-drive. How antique.

Using Roku with PlayOn enables this functionality quite nicely but you're right: it's not "native" to the Roku device.

How about asking a question about the movie you are watching WHILE watching it and get an answer shown on screen while you are watching? Uh, no, not on Roku.

Again, not a feature of Roku and at a $49 price point I'm not even sure that'd be a reasonable expectation

How about asking "What did that guy just say?" and having Apple TV back up 15 seconds, turn on closed captioning temporarily and do an instant replay the scene in question so you can not only listen, but SEE what that guy said! Not on Roku.

Actually, yes you can do this on Roku. You may not like how it works, but it does it.

How about orally telling the system to backup five minutes and play from that point. Nope, not on Roku. . . doesn't do that, but Apple TV will.

Sounds like a neat feature, although I personally have issues talking to my computer/any device to tell it what to do or what I want, but that's just me.

I think what you've done here is demonstrated one of my earlier points on this thread in which I said Apple knows how to develop and market features to their user base, even when that user base may not have even thought they "needed" that functionality in the first place.

That is one of Apple's strongest merits: cultivating their user base.

[bolobaby]

Here’s what I don’t get with you, Swordmaker: how easily you twist through contortions when your original point is proven completely invalid.

Two notable cases from the current exchange...

First Example

You posted, in it’s entirety: “Apple doesn’t need to. . . many of them are already on the Apple TV. Right now, 69.1% of all streaming on-demand video is already sold through Apple TV.”

Take note that all streaming video is, pretty much by definition, on-demand video. You *did not* specify or even imply any sub-classification of streaming video. You just posted an extremely questionable stat.

I responded: “*cough* bullsh!t *cough*”

You then tried to clarify: “Pardon me. . . transposition typo. It was 61.9% of streaming content on set-top boxes. Keep in mind this is purchased video, “sold”, not stolen, or free video. Apple users tend to buy their content while Android users tend to go for the “FREE” choices.”

Again, no clarification about PAY-PER-VIEW (the industry term) or STREAMING RENTALS (another industry term). So, you were still creating the impression that Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, et al were included in your “purchased video” since none of those are “’FREE’ choices.”

I again responded: “Again, Bullcrap. Selective manipulation of the stats. Obviously this excludes streaming services and is only looking at impulse video streams, which is a minor market compared to streaming services.”

This was an specific effort to point out how you were going after a small subset of the market to make Apple seem *awesome* when the vast majority of streaming services are subscription and not the impulse buys (combo of pay-per-view and streaming rentals).

And yet you won’t back down. You posted a crap stat with no clarification and you cling on to the bitter end. It’s shameful.

Second Example

You posted: “Can you demonstrate that Samsung’s stylus is anything but a piece of aluminum rod with a plastic tip? If so, please do so. It is NOT a live interactive electronic device at all, by any stretch of your’s or bolobaby’s FUD spreading imagination.”

I’ll save you the back and forth, but I think we’ve established that your command of the facts was extremely lacking on this. The funny thing is, you won’t let go. I’m specifically pointing out that the VAST FEATURES of the ALMIGHTY iPENCIL are incredibly useless to just about EVERYONE who will pick one up. A few artists may appreciate the ability to draw nifty lines, but just about everyone else won’t give a rat’s ass.

So, after proving you 100% wrong that the S Pen is not just a dead stick, you go BACK to the thing I was mocking in the *first place*! I get the fact that the iStylus is soooooo much more advanced. YOU DON’T GET THAT NO ONE CARES! It *will* be used as a “dead stick” by the vast majority of users, if it gets used at all. That’s why Steve Jobs thought these things were stupid ideas.

For the record, I never defended the AWESOME CAPABILITIES of my S Pen or the Stylus with my wife’s Surface - just pointed out that Apple is late to the Stylus party. And then, later, corrected the deliberate misinformation you spread about it being nothing more than a dead piece of plastic. Maybe it’s not as AWESOMELY CAPABLE *snicker* as the ALMIGHTY iPen, but it does what most normal users would expect out of a stylus. Everything else is superfluous and not worthy of any hoopla.

But you are desperate to make it seem like the product announcements are on par with the second coming of Christ. Like a paid marketer would do. And. You. NEVER. LET. GO. You just change the argument into something else, like the Samsung TV spying on you! *gasp*

You are officially incorrigible.

So why do I care? Well, I come to FR when I want to find out the truth about things. The information that the MSM won’t tell you. So when I see blatant misinformation, it really bugs me. None of your posts have even a whiff of objectivity, so you are no better than the MSM shills, except you are shilling for a company/product, which almost makes it worse. At least the MSM shills are shilling for a candidate that espouses their ideals. It your case, it’s a frickin’ phone.

You sully the truth-i-ness of the FR boards with your shilling. If I ever wanted to get an ACTUAL, OBJECTIVE analysis on anything related to Apple, I can’t come to FR to do it. And that pisses me off because this is where I come to find truth.

So, thanks for screwing that up.

[Swordmaker]

Well, bolobaby, Let's look at your first link from Yahoo, and Consumer Reports. The First paragraph is telling about where it's going:

Apple's reputation as an innovator has always been built on the refinement of existing ideas—Palm sold touchscreen phones before the iPhone, and Sony made ultra-lightweight laptops years before Apple launched the MacBook Air. Apple's focus on high-end materials and build quality with its hardware and attention to detail with its software tend to produce popular products that have the effect of sweeping aside history. Apple cultivates this aura of "specialness" by adding its own branding to industry standard components (iSight and FaceTime cameras, Retina displays, Airport wireless) and launching its products at glitzy events with plenty of talk about how "revolutionary" it all is.

This article is based on a mistaken definition of innovation and makes assertions that are misleading at best and downright wrong at worst.

Let's examine those assertions:

• Palm touch screen phones were resistance screen, single touch requiring a stylus for any accurate input on any virtual keyboard, but actually relied on a physical querty keyboard. Only the LG-KE850 Feature Phone, released as the PRADA, had only a single-touch capacitance screen without a keyboard. . . and even it had a ten-key pad approach to messaging. They later added a virtual alpha-numeric keyboard. . . but it still was not multi-touch or a smartphone.
  
  

  Apple's idea for a phone had NOT been thought of before. in fact, Apple holds the patents on the Multi-touch, capacitance screens for mobile devices. No one else. That set the pattern since 2007 for all mobile devices from that point on. Apple developed all the multi-touch user-interface gestures used on such screens. No other company did so. Apple REDEFINED SMARTPHONES and set the pattern of all smart phones after the iPhone in 2007.

• Sony ultraportable that predated the Apple MacBook Air? Apple released the MacBook Air, a 3lb computer that ran a full OS X in January of 2008. Prior to that the market was selling NetBooks running crippled operating systems. Sony did have a Netbook but it announced in April of 2008 running Windows Vista. Where is this Sony ultra-lightweight laptop made years before Apple made one that re-defined the field???

  When Apple released the MacBook Air in 2008, they had a ladder made out of them, where the MacBook Airs were the treads of the ladder and a model was climbing up and down the ladder. Every so often they'd pull one of the "treads" open it and put it out for people to use as a demo, showing no damage from being repeatedly stepped on by a 110 pound girl. How many other laptops could stand up to that? Most of those Airs are still around today.

Next we have the claim that Applew default Photo mode is a me-too development, the same as HTC Zoe. Nope, it's not.

1. Live Photos
"The new iPhone 6s and 6s Plus will automatically take a few seconds of video with every still photograph. When you press on the photo, it comes to life."

Next we have the claim that Apple's new default Photo mode is a me-too development, the same as HTC Zoe. Nope, it's not.

• Here's HTC Zoe's claim to fame, which is an optional mode, purchased as an App, which they incorporated into their firmware:

  HTC Zoe is a shooting mode within your camera. It records 3.6 seconds of HD video and 20 photos, the latter shot at 6 frames per second. The video starts recording and the photos start shooting 0.6 seconds before your finger presses the shutter so you never miss a beat.

  Going to the Zoe.com site, which is now closed down as of August 31, 2015 for lack of interest (read failure to monetize their idea), you find that the six photos are screen grabs from the video. . . which must be downloaded from the Zoe.com website. OOPS, the function is gone.

  On the Apple, every photo has it, and it can be accessed in every place the photo is displayed. The Live Photo can be used on the Apple Watch as an animated background for a Watch Face.

2. Smart Keyboard and Apple Pencil
"Steve Jobs famously derided the stylus shortly after the introduction of the original iPad, saying, "If you need a stylus, you've already failed." Apple has obviously overcome its famous founder's discontent with pointy sticks with the new Apple Pencil for the iPad Pro. And our first impresions of the $99 Pencil and the click-on $170 Smart Keyboard were pretty positive, although the prices do seem pretty high."

• Smart Keyboards: The Apple iPad keyboard. No, it is not new. I bought one with my original iPad back in 2010. . . from Apple. So, no, they did not "borrow" the idea from Microsoft Surface. In fact, by the time the original iPad was on the market six months there were at least ten companies that I know of thate Jobs famously derided the stylus shortly after the introduction of the original iPad, saying, "If you need a stylus, you've already failed."

• Apple Pencil: To begin, let's just say "Apple Newton", where Apple basically invented the touch screen Personal Digital Assistant (look it up, Apple COINED the term!) which USED a stylus!

  That quote cited above is completely made up. The actual quote from 2010 is "If you see a stylus or a Finder, they blew it." The important sense of what Steve Jobs actually said came from 2008. We should concentrate on the context of usage of the devices that preceded the iPhone and understand the technology of what Apple had developed to replace the use of styluses on the previous devices:

  "Who wants a stylus? You have to get 'em, put 'em away, you lose 'em, yuck. Nobody wants a stylus. So let's not use a stylus. We're going to use the best pointing device in the world. We're going to use a pointing device that we're all born with - born with ten of them. We're going to use our fingers. We're going to touch [the iPhone] with our fingers."

  The fact is that the iPad Pro does not need the Apple Pencil to operate. Far from it. It works just fine with your fingers, just as does any other iPad or iPhone, just as Steve Jobs intended.

  The Apple Pencil is an accessory that facilitates specific purposes that many people have no need for. For those who want to do those purposes, it is a great tool, at a great price point. . . far lower than any of the competing smart pens that have similar abilities. I know of at least two which are selling for more than $700 with their enabling software.

  It does FAR more than the simple styluses being shipped with the tablets and stored in niches because they are needed for some of the basic functions of those tablets.

3. 4K Video "The new iPhone 6s and 6s Plus have upgraded iSight cameras with 12 megapixel sensors that we can't wait to test in our labs. These cameras also shoot video in 4K (3840 x 2160) at 30 frames per second (sic—Apple actually said 60 frames per second—Swordmaker)—a first for Apple smartphones."

So what. Apple did not say they were first. Those competing models have come out in the last few months, so it was a first for their phones also.

4. Siri on Apple TV
The comments on the article speak for themselves, being filled with "if" and "pretty spare" damn faint praise qualifiers for the competition. I'll just highlight the parts I think are funny. LOL!

The upgraded Apple TV has an all-new remote control with a touchpad, Bluetooth connectivity, and a built-in microphone. That microphone is to allow search and voice control of the Apple TV through Apple's Siri digital assistant.

Where we've seen it before: The Amazon Fire TV and Roku 3 both offer voice control already (although Roku's voice control is pretty spare). Amazon also has a pretty sophisticated digital assistant, named Alexa, that shows up on that company's Echo speaker. For the moment, it looks like the functionality that Siri brings to Apple TV could outpace what Amazon and Roku's devices can do in response to voice commands, but if Amazon brings Alexa to the Fire TV, that would definitely give Siri a run for her money.

5. Apple TV as a Gaming Device
"Roku devices and Amazon Fire TV already have robust app networks for their streaming media boxes."

Not one comment that Apple TV users have been playing games on the Apple TV with their iPads and iPhones for years. . . all hundreds of thousands of the games available on those platforms can be played through screen sharing. . . and that those devices make excellent game controllers. Claim of "robust" app network for Roku is ridiculous. It just isn't there. Lame reference to Nintendo suffering from competition.

6. 3D Touch
"Both the iPhone 6s and 6s Plus have sensors built in to the display that can detect how much force a finger is exerting."

REALLY LAME criticism. . . because all this FUD article can come up with is that Apple showed a simpler version of this called Force Touch on the Apple Watch in April! SHEESH! Can they stretch any farther to find something more?

So, looking at the rest. . . Matt Kranz at USA Today has never in his life written a positive article about Apple. He writes Hit Whore pieces to get clicks. Four MORE Yahoo Finance negative articles. . . it should be noted that it was Yahoo Finance who LIED about the Apple Financial Statement, changing the street whisper numbers between 8:30 AM and 2:00PM so they could CLAIM that Apple had missed the Revenue Expectations when they actually had EXCEEDED the whisper number, yet Yahoo Finance head line claimed Apple misses Revenue right at the tick of 2:00 PM just as the Financial Report was released. . . yet the number in their 8:30AM report was $1.5BILLION LOWER than the number they had in their article at 2:00PM. . . when the Whisper NUMBER cannot change in the 24 hours before the report! The author of those two stories? Jayson Derrick, the author of your number 3 link where he writes: "Shares of Apple Inc. (NASDAQ: AAPL) were higher by 2 percent Thursday morning. Apple's Wednesday presentation fell "flatter than the new iPad," . . . and proceeds to cherry pick negative analcysts comments.

The CNBC video is right on. . .

[Swordmaker]

3. I point out that the S Pen actually has functionality (probably about as much as any user would really want, actually).

No, I found what it did. . . now I am asking you what more DOES it do. What the website shows it does is nothing much more than what you can do with your finger on the screen. That deserves mocking.

That is NOT true about what you were mocking which does things you cannot do with your finger on the screen. YOU mocked something you had no clue about. . . you just started in without knowing anything about the product, not even it's correct name.

I am asking you to educate me about what your Samsung stylus will do that is not in the instructions provided by Samsung. Frankly, I can see no practical purpose for the button. It's a gimmick.

That's fairly representative of a lot of the gadgets and other additions Android phones and tablets have added to their functions. They are gimmicks some engineering geek says "Hey, that'd be cool to add" and they add it, with out thinking it through as to what real functionality it might have.

My favorite example of such useless gimmicks is that some Samsung phones have Blood Oximeter sensors in them. . . I work in the medical field and not one single doctor that I have talked to can think of a situation where a phone mounted blood oximeter sensor would be useful or even accurate for any medical purpose. Another is that Samsung mounted Atmospheric Hygrometers in some of their phones. Totally useless when measuring the water in the atmosphere when they've been carried within several feet of the water exuding human body.

The question arises that just because you can add something to the spec list, SHOULD you? Steve Jobs took the view that perfection comes from what you can take OUT.

[tacticalogic]

Steve Jobs took the view that perfection comes from what you can take OUT.

Is it true that he said "If you see a stylus, they blew it." back in 2010?

[Swordmaker]

How about asking "What did that guy just say?" and having Apple TV back up 15 seconds, turn on closed captioning temporarily and do an instant replay the scene in question so you can not only listen, but SEE what that guy said! Not on Roku.

Actually, yes you can do this on Roku. You may not like how it works, but it does it.

I think you misunderstood my question. I am talking about asking the Set-top Box that question, not yourself, so that YOU have to take the action to back up the video, turn on the closed caption, etc. . . but that Siri will hear your question and take care of it for you, automatically. No, Roku cannot do that. As you said, I don't believe a $49 gadget will not have that functionality. If it cannot handle answering a question during playing a film, it obviously cannot handle this.

As Steve Jobs is famous for having said, "You don't win by skating to where the puck is, you win by skating to where the puck is going to be."

[Swordmaker]

And yet again you are wrong: Your words from post 84 "It indicates a major re-allignment in Amazon's plans to concentrate on their core competency, retail, not developing hardware."

Unless you can convince us somehow that kindles and fire tablets and fire TVs are not "hardware" then you are proved wrong once again.

Again, you get it wrong, Mad Dawgg. What I have said is that Amazon may be stopping developing their OWN hardware. . . not that they will stop SELLING hardware with their name on it. I have explained this quite thoroughly. BUYING hardware from a third-party manufacturer who is willing to put Amazon's Kindle Brand and Name on it is easy. It doesn't mean that Amazon designed or Developed it. If it produces the product they need at the price point they want for the cost they are willing to pay, great. Lots of companies do it including Google, BestBuy, Sears (Kenmore brand Appliances and Craftsman tools), RCA, GE, and many others do it for their low end products. Why do you seem to think that Amazon is immune?

[Mad Dawgg]

"Again, you get it wrong, Mad Dawgg. What I have said is that Amazon may be stopping developing their OWN hardware. . . not that they will stop SELLING hardware with their name on it."

Oh horsecrap you are trying to find an out knowing you blathered without knowing what you were talking about. You claimed the were getting out of the hardware business and now you are trying to morph it into they are just gonna put their name on someone else's stuff. Yet Kindle is still the number one selling ebook reader.

I mean using your logic then we can say Apple got out of the hardware business long ago when they had foxconn start making their stuff.

hahahaha

[bolobaby]

Pathetic. More misdirection so you can keep shilling for Apple.

You are a joke of a man.

[dennisw]

As Steve Jobs is famous for having said, "You don't win by skating to where the puck is, you win by skating to where the puck is going to be."

An unusual allusion for a nerd/Zen Buddhist/Vegan who despised sports. IN FACT Wayne Gretzky said this

 

• I skate to where the puck is going to be ... - ThinkExist.com
  thinkexist.com/quotation/i_skate_to_where_the_puck_is_going_to_be...

  Wayne Gretzky I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been. My Account Help: ... “A good hockey player plays where the puck is.

[Swordmaker]

You posted, in it’s entirety: “Apple doesn’t need to. . . many of them are already on the Apple TV. Right now, 69.1% of all streaming on-demand video is already sold through Apple TV.”

You have a reading comprehension problem. Read what I wrote for content and meaning, bolobaby. You don't seem to parse very well. Ignoring my transpositional typo, the important phrases and word here are "all streaming on-demand", "is" and "SOLD". They are quite explicit. "Streaming on-demand" means to "order from a server fed source" when the customer wants it. "IS" indicates SINGULAR, not the "ARE" of plural which would tend to indicate services of multiple subscription type streams. And finally "SOLD" indicated each singular event is bought and paid for.

When I write, and I am an author, experienced and published, and I have been an editor, I use words to MEAN THINGS, explicitly, exactly, intending them to be read for meaning as I they are supposed to be read.

I did not use Pay-Per-View deliberately because that has connotations connected to cable systems. I did not use "STREAMING RENTALS" because that was not inclusive of what I was referring to, as what I was referring to also included purchasing downloadable movies. . . and would have required more extensive exposition. As I said, I used exactly the correct wording to convey what had been measured. . . and on what it was measured.

When YOU failed to comprehend simple English, I attempted to help you understand by adding to the exposition, adding to the definition of what I had already told you. You are the one trying to expand my very definite, detailed statement into a general statement, not me. It's your comprehension problem.

Again, no clarification about PAY-PER-VIEW (the industry term) or STREAMING RENTALS (another industry term). So, you were still creating the impression that Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, et al were included in your “purchased video” since none of those are “’FREE’ choices.”

Instead of bringing those subscription services up as such, you chose to use snark and satiric insult approach. So I just ignored your approach because that was what such approach to discourse is worth. Had you asked "What about subscription service such as. . . " You would have gotten an answer. Snarky responses will get you ignored. They are not free. . . a viewer can watch on-demand, but they are not Sold on-demand. No subscription is. Instead, I corrected your misapprehension about purchasing on-demand. . . and pointed out that Apple users tend to buy content as opposed to users of other systems who just don't seem to do so to the extent that Apple users do, which multiple studies support the findings of the original study.

So, after proving you 100% wrong that the S Pen is not just a dead stick, you go BACK to the thing I was mocking in the *first place*! I get the fact that the iStylus is soooooo much more advanced. YOU DON’T GET THAT NO ONE CARES! It *will* be used as a “dead stick” by the vast majority of users, if it gets used at all. That’s why Steve Jobs thought these things were stupid ideas.

And you are wrong. People who buy the Apple Pencil will not use it for a dead stick stylus. They are people who will have a specific need for such a sophisticated tool. There are already numerous dead stick styluses out there priced from FREE to $10 or even more (I saw a MontBlanc pen set with matching stylus the other day for around $400. Since I carry a MontBlanc pen, I gave it some serious consideration.).

You're here. . . spreading your FUD comments. . . and spreading "iStylus" and "iPen" misnomers and spreading your ignorance, and continuing it even when told the correct name.

You have yet to answer my question about exactly what that button on the side of the Samsung S pen does. I cannot find any reliable description except that it seems to take a screen shot while touching the pen to the screen if one clicks it. Whoopee! Why would anyone need to do that? It's not even a "cool" gimmick. According to the instructions, all changes to the functions of the stylus requiring tapping the stylus to an area on the screen. One instruction seems to hint that clicking the button while holding the pen in the air above the screen may activate an area to touch the pen on to change functions. WHEE!

As far as I can see, the stylus function of the Samsung S Pen is not modified in anyway by the presence of the button on the shank. Can you show me I am wrong? If not, then the stylus returns to being a dumb stick when gliding it along the screen or touching it on the screen with a gimmicky button that does something totally unrelated.

So far, you have added nothing expositive to this question. You claim you own one. What do YOU use the stylus and button for?

But you are desperate to make it seem like the product announcements are on par with the second coming of Christ.

No, I have not. I have merely responded to your mis-information in what you have posted. I do not believe it was the best presentation Apple has ever given, but it certainly was not a flop either.

[Swordmaker]

An unusual allusion for a nerd/Zen Buddhist/Vegan who despised sports. IN FACT Wayne Gretzky said this

Yes, Wayne Gretzky did indeed say that. . . and Steve Jobs even credited him. But the quote I cited is Steve Jobs modified version. I heard him say it. It's a good quotation for business too.

You don't know that Steve Jobs hated sports. That's just one more of your lies, made up on the spur of the moment, to denigrate Apple and Steve Jobs. Thanks for playing.