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1 posted on 08/02/2015 9:37:36 AM PDT by conservativejoy
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Hmm. On the one hand Trump is probably right (I have no direct knowledge of it). On the other hand, that is probably standard operating procedure in every state. They always spend more than they get no matter what.

As for flip-flopping, I can take minor flip-flops as simply a change of mind. Fundamental flip-flops just before an election I see as fraud. On Common Core, I am not overly alarmed. The schools have long been the playground of liberals. So to me, the have much bigger problems than just CC.

I am not an expert on Walker. What I have seen makes me think he is weak in areas important to me. I want someone who will stand up for the issues most important to me. But Walker is not all bad. That said, Trump’s strength is that he thinks like a businessman and so all the government spending and borrowing without any thought to the bottom line looks ridiculous to him.


2 posted on 08/02/2015 9:48:39 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: conservativejoy

My first comment was about the Trump quote excerpt posted. I clicked on the article so I want to comment on the schools specifically.

It looks to me like the same ol’ same ol’ leftist target practice anytime anyone tries to keep education funding in check. They equate dollars with success and that is just ridiculous. You cannot purchase hard work. Kids must work and be inspired to learn and study. None of that costs a dime. Education materials really are not that expensive if your goal is just to have good, adequate resources. If your goal is to fund leftist interest groups and political activism with tax dollars then that is another matter. Or if your goal is to line the pockets of administration loyal leftists with bigger and bigger salaries then that is something else, too. If your goal is to get quality teachers into the classroom and to have quality, factual materials for the students then that is not so expensive and should be able to be done with less money and more local control than is currently being done pretty much everywhere in the USA.

As for Trump’s perspective, at the bottom of the article it says that Trump might agree with some of Walker’s reforms. So I would need a better source than the Washington Post if I were to really understand the difference in Trump and Walker on the issue of schools. Furthermore, it seems like more of an issue for Governors than for Presidents, other than just an example of how they manage things — unless of course you are a liberal and want federal control of education.


5 posted on 08/02/2015 10:05:29 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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Trump was never a governor, dealing with unions, bureaucracy, taxes, deficits, Federal regs, lawsuits, etc...

I like Walker (although I am a Cruz supporter) and Walker went through WARFARE in Wisconsin with unions and an out-of-control leftist judiciary. I don’t care how big Trump talks - he has not had that experience or trial-by-fire.


15 posted on 08/02/2015 10:41:31 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: afraidfortherepublic; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; ...

Wisconsin Ping!
18 posted on 08/02/2015 10:52:11 AM PDT by onyx (PLEASE Support FR - GO MONTHLY - Join CLUB 300 - God bless FR's Donors!)
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I think Mr. Trump is wrong about Wisconsin and wrong about Governor Walker’s leadership, so I have pinged the WI list.


20 posted on 08/02/2015 10:54:47 AM PDT by onyx (PLEASE Support FR - GO MONTHLY - Join CLUB 300 - God bless FR's Donors!)
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To: conservativejoy
Trump is full of crap...
last weekend I drove highways & back roads from Illinois up through Green Bay and came back via back roads.

Roads are in great shape. Speed limit boosted to 70 mph on Interstates.
Interstates = concrete.
Back roads = asphalt

25 posted on 08/02/2015 11:08:23 AM PDT by stylin19a (obama = Fredo Smart)
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It wasn’t long ago that the forecasting arm of the Wisconsin legislature was predicting that state government by mid-2015 would be flush with a surplus topping $1 billion, which Gov. Scott Walker could have showcased in his bid for the Republican presidential nomination. Today, that projected surplus has morphed into a $2.2 billion budget deficit that Republican lawmakers are struggling to fix.

That's what I'm seeing that Wisconsin has a budget shortfall somewhere between $1.7 to 2 billion dollars. Problem is that a state cannot print money like the Federal government. They have to borrow it to make up the difference.

Walker did chop taxes in the state and hoped that the Wisconsin economy would grow to cover the tax cuts.

The better way would be to grow the economy first where he would have a budget surplus, and then cut taxes to balance the budget. Wisconsin's economy didn't grow as expected so there he is Walker holding the deficit bag.

27 posted on 08/02/2015 11:24:51 AM PDT by Red Steel (Ted Cruz: 'I'm a Big Fan of Donald Trump')
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Ah, yes, the resident ankle-biter chihuahua and expert on all things Wisconsin.

Nice lefty sources you have there who are citing pre-budget stats - here's an analysis of the actual budget that's been signed into law.

Wisconsin's budget is balanced.

School choice (vouchers) have been expanded. (I thought conservatives were in favor of that?)

No tax increased for the THIRD YEAR in a row.

Bonding down 67%.

Unemployment lower than national average.

This in spite Obama's sucky economy.

The rest of the US would do well to be in the "mess" that Wisconsin is in.

Perfect? Hardly. And I'm thinking that the only person who ever walked the earth who would qualify as a "perfect" candidate doesn't want to take the pay cut.

34 posted on 08/02/2015 1:37:51 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (#KohlsCurve = Reaganomics Illustrated)
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Oh, its lying conservative joy.

——The schools are a disaster.

Ho hum. Same old s..

*****With 73 percent of public and private high school graduates taking the ACT college admission exam, the state’s 2014 average composite score increased one-tenth of a point to 22.2, making Wisconsin SECOND IN THE NATION on the ACT assessment (CAPS MINE).

http://gbea.weac.org/2014/08/20/wisconsin-students-score-second-in-nation-on-2014-act/

READING AND MATH SCORES FOR MOST WISCONSIN public school students are up.

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Test results released Tuesday by the state Department of Public Instruction show that just under half of the state’s students scored in the two highest ratings in math.

In reading, nearly 37 percent were in the two highest categories.

The scores were up slightly from five years ago when only about 47 percent of students were proficient or advanced in math and nearly 36 percent were in reading.

http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/Reading-math-scores-improve-for-Wisconsin-students-gap-persists-254337121.html

****Proponents of school choice in Wisconsin have a lot to be thankful for in the just approved Wisconsin State Budget.

Increased funding for public schools, charter schools and voucher programs, including $48 million more for vouchers
Increased the voucher amounts for all three school choice programs from $7,210 for elementary students and $7,856 for high school students
Adopted a “money follows the child” funding mechanism

http://wisconsindailyindependent.com/budget-strengthens-school-choice-programs-in-the-state/


37 posted on 08/02/2015 2:05:08 PM PDT by sgtyork (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy)
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-—The hospitals and education was a disaster.

I know that when the Donald is speaking people won’t notice how ungrammatical and incomprehensible this is. But really? The hospitals was a disaster?

What in the world is the Donald even talking about here? The VA hospital problems that are Obama’s problem? He’s just throwing underwear against the wall to see what sticks.


42 posted on 08/02/2015 2:21:14 PM PDT by sgtyork (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy)
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