Rise in accidental gunshots by L.A. County deputies follows new firearm [Smith & Wesson M&P9]

L A Times ^ | Cindy Chang

[ClearCase_guy]

Well, it helps if you keep your finger off the trigger ...

[Parley Baer]

Ooops. It looks like back to the SAA for them.

[Pearls Before Swine]

It sounds like an SA/DA issue on the accuracy, and also on first shot misfires. Anybody like the Walther AS system?

[Bryanw92]

Silly cops need to get revolvers and one bullet (stored safely in a short pocket).

[headstamp 2]

Back Revolters and speed-loaders.

[imardmd1]

Apparently they haven't learned all the primary rules for gun safety:

(1) Always point the firearm in a safe direction. Always.

(2) KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE BANG SWITCH UNTIL YOU ARE READY TO FIRE.

[Bryanw92]

Their procurement department f’ed up.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_766223_-1_757954_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

[puppypusher]

My Department just switched to the Smith&Wesson MP9.After my initial training with it.I found that the weapon is a good pistol,though its magazines are very difficult to load.

Something that could be very dangerous in a combat situation.

As a matter of fact I have never found an Auto Pistol with magazines that are more difficult to load than the ones used in the Smith&Wesson MP9.

I hope Smith&Wesson Figures out a way to loosen those tolerances in the magazines so they can be reloaded easier without putting excessive wear on the shooters thumb.

[JoeProBono]

LOS ANGELES COUNTY SHERIFF (LASD) DEPUTY

[Smokin' Joe]

Critics say this type of semiautomatic, which is widespread in law enforcement and includes the Glock used by many agencies, is too easy to misfire.

Time for a little 101:

A misfire is when you pull the trigger, intending to fire the weapon and it appears to function, but does not strike the primer with enough force to discharge the round. This may be caused by either a malfunctioning weapon or bad ammunition.

What we have here are a string of negligent discharges which indicate the operators of the weapons are either handling their weapons with their finger on the trigger or drawing them that way.

see the video at the link

[umgud]

Factory Glocks hqave a 5.5lbs trigger pull.

[imardmd1]

(3) Never rely on a safety.

(4) Always assume the gun is ready to shoot.

[NorthMountain]

its magazines are very difficult to load.

Are you referring to the act of inserting cartridges into the magazine, or the act of inserting a filled magazine into the pistol?

[gwgn02]

Its not the gun, its the training. More is needed.

[Mariner]

6-8lbs and the trigger is TOO LIGHT?

I wouldn't have a clunker like that in my house.

Hell, there's revolvers that only go 7lbs in DOUBLE ACTION mode.

[Steely Tom]

Are they doing the locomotion?

[Axenolith]

They make devices that facilitate loading the mags, I can’t recall the exact name.

If you have to reload magazines in a combat situation, aren’t you already eyeball deep in s***??? ;-)

[JoeProBono]

Macarena

[USNBandit]

I have never been able to get the advertised number of rounds in a Glock mag. My agency uses HKs with a funky DAO style trigger. Issues have been bad failures when exposed to salt water. Those agents were switched over to Glocks.

As far as loading mags, my most unfavorite is the UMP 40. First they load like a tight pistol mag, second they take 30 rounds, third they are so long it is difficult to find a good place to carry extra mags.